Ecler Hak 360 / Vestax Samuari /or 0 RaneTm .... Magnetic Fader Feedback

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Whats up yall , can't decide which mixer I want none of the stores seem to carry them so yeah ..
I know I want a magnetic fader but a I don't know which one ...le me know what you guys think ...
 
id like some info too...ive been keen on getting a hak 360 for awhile now and i can get one for a good price ($1360AUD) however it was brought to my attention on skratchworx.com that the fader has a click/pop when its on sharp curve.

id like some more info on this if anyone has some. i chked the ecler boards and it seems its a known technical fault that has no known fix.

the other option is getting a 07pro, that dosent have magnetic faders, but no problems either. i can get the version with the upgraded faders for $1499AUD

what would peoples recommendations be knowing the technical fault with the hak....no way i can afford a ttm56 - something like $2200AUD

cheers peeps!
 
the hal 360 being "da bomb" is overkill man.... the fader has a pop to it. try it yourself....take your hak 360.... with no beat... and jus scratch... and you will hear it..."pop pop pop" its not drastic... but it is there... hope this helps you deceide
 
Yes...it is true that there is a sligh "pop" noise when the x-fader is set to its sharpest curve in "switch mode" (in normal mode, there is no problem).

You can barely hear it, just like stab master arson says, when you just power on the mixer and scratch....its very low, and I played with it a lot, you cant hear it when actually scratching...it wont override you music, thats for sure.

If anyone wants, I can record an MP3 of some scratching so you can judge for yourself. Not that I really know how to scratch, but at least you can hear what it sounds like ;)

Ecler is working to resolve the issue.
 
Jonny that would be ace man...can you do a mp3 with scratching over music and one without? :victory:

cheers mate as i wont get a change to try this mixer b4 i buy i wanna research as much as possible.

lots o cash
 
I'll try to make an MP3 soon, and I'll host it on my site so you can all hear.....just dont make fun of my scratching :P

BTW, here is a response from Ecler about the "popping" noises

The "poping" you hear is due to a physical concept ... when scratching at the sharpest curve, the ETERNAL switch the signal ON/OFF which concretely is loading electrical energy from -60dB to something like 0dB ... this create a natural switching/peaking ...

We completely opens the ETERNAL adjustments in order the performer can precisely adjust its cuttin' ... for the "poping", turn the Shape rotary adjuster a bit down to "softer" the "switching" ... try it with different adjustement until you find the shape you like. Let me know about the results.
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hope that helps!

Honestly, I really like the HAK360. I know, I am biased since I sell Ecler, but seriously, I have played with the Ranes, the Vestaxs, the A&H and the Stantons....I really like the Ecler.

I'm not gonna knock the other mixers, theyre all very good, but the feel of the faders and overall quality of the HAK is really up there.

But hey, its all up to the person who;s gonna use it everyday, right? ;)
 
The "poping" you hear is due to a physical concept ... when scratching at the sharpest curve, the ETERNAL switch the signal ON/OFF which concretely is loading electrical energy from -60dB to something like 0dB ... this create a natural switching/peaking ...

We completely opens the ETERNAL adjustments in order the performer can precisely adjust its cuttin' ... for the "poping", turn the Shape rotary adjuster a bit down to "softer" the "switching" ... try it with different adjustement until you find the shape you like. Let me know about the results.
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two responses to that

1. what about the rane? is has a sharp curve/magnetic fader and dosent pop?

2. people on the ecler forums said they had to turn the shape down sooo much to kill the popping it was like scratching on a smooth curve, and well kinda defeats the purpose of a scratch mixer hey

personally i think ecler are spinning a heap of ****, they know its a fault and if you read more on the boards they stop being shifty and admit it.

the question is....how much of a fault is it and to what degree is it going to effect my cutting?
 
1. Yes, there is no denying the Rane is a good mixer. The HAK and the Rane do have different features, as well as a HUGE price difference....

2. I will post an MP3 of some scratching with a HAK...you can hear the "popping" noises for yourself and be the judge.

Personally, I dont think the slight popping noises will interfere with your scratching. There are MANY satisfied HAK owners around the world ;)

I'll post that MP3 soon!

:cheers:
 
OK! Here we go...

I just recorded some scratching on the HAK 360.

Well, I just put on a record, and played with the x-fader, so you can hear it.

Please note the big POP at the end is me removing the needle from the record, thats not the x-fader...for the last 1- seconds or so, you can hear me playing with the x-fader and yes, you can hear some minor popping noises....

Oh yes, the settings on the mixer were:

x-fader to full sharp mode
"SWITCH" mode on x-fader
gains set to peak at 0db
BASS-MID-HI set to 0

Also, I just noiced that at the same time I was scratching rapidly, there is a bongo drum type thing going on in the track, so dont confuse that with any popping! :p

So here you go.....



lemme know what you think
 
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Jonny Thrice said:
OK! Here we go...

I just recorded some scratching on the HAK 360.

Well, I just put on a record, and played with the x-fader, so you can hear it.

Please note the big POP at the end is me removing the needle from the record, thats not the x-fader...for the last 1- seconds or so, you can hear me playing with the x-fader and yes, you can hear some minor popping noises....

Oh yes, the settings on the mixer were:

x-fader to full sharp mode
"SWITCH" mode on x-fader
gains set to peak at 0db
BASS-MID-HI set to 0

Also, I just noiced that at the same time I was scratching rapidly, there is a bongo drum type thing going on in the track, so dont confuse that with any popping! :p

So here you go.....



lemme know what you think
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Hmm.. I'm not sure if it's the music or the popping.. But I think I hear something when your scratching. or maybe its just my mind playing tricks on me.


If the popping is from the mixer. Is there a way you can record by not playing and music and moving the crossfader?


and what program do you use to record?



Thanx in advance
 
i would love some more input here from other hak360 owners. personally from what i hear this does sound like a major flaw with this mixer. what about drumming (ie making your own beat and hence not having anything to disguise the pops) on a big PA system, that would amplify the quite prominent pops.

/stats saving for a ttm56
 
Suhkorea said:



Hmm.. I'm not sure if it's the music or the popping.. But I think I hear something when your scratching. or maybe its just my mind playing tricks on me.


If the popping is from the mixer. Is there a way you can record by not playing and music and moving the crossfader?


and what program do you use to record?



Thanx in advance
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Well, personally, I dont hear much popping during my scratching. But maybe some peoples ears are better than others ;)

I did record it NOT playing any music and just sliding the fader. Did you hear it? The last 10 seconds of that file is just me scratching nothing....you'll hear a big POP which was me taking off the needle, and then after that you can hear the fader....

I used Soundforge 6.0 to record.

Whats weird is that nobody has ever complained about this problem until now...many professionals and scratch-heads have been using the HAK360 for a while now, and this issue never came up. This is why I say its not a big deal.

But, I'll still contact Ecler about it, hopefully they'll work on it

:cheers:
 
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i can hear a pop every time the music is cut back in, the bass disguises it a bit, but there def there. not a clean cut in @ all.

about 19 to 20 secs through you can hear it best (or worst considering)

DAMN it! just as i found a mixer with almost everything going for it its got a problem like this! :(

Jonny see if you can get a word from ecler on a long term fix/new fader upgrade or something

Oh and I imagine this problem would only occur with the bass eq up and hence why its not so “major” cos most ppl scratching will turn the bass down however it is for me as i would be using this mixer for juggles/drumming quite a lot and be getting pop pop poping all the way
 
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i've heard the hak 360 is a poor choice if you want to use effects. I don't think it'd be bad if you want the hak or the rane.. but my personal choice is rane..
 
the ecler is 640€ in Europe, the Rane is 930€ - cheapest prices around; that is a huge difference

dj gear in the us is generally much cheaper, so that´s why more people might consider the rane; eitherway, the HAK is great as well
 
The HAK has an effects button....you press the button, and it brings in your external effects. There isnt an adjustment for it, its just a 50% dry/50% wet setup I beleive...you can adjust this with the SEND or GAIN on your FX box to suit your needs.

Again, this popping noise only occurs when the x-fader is in its sharpest curve and in switch mode. One thing to consider is that most other mixers dont even offer a cut in time this quick, and dont even have this switch mode at all!

When the x-fader is in its normal mode, there is NO popping, and the cut in time is still very good. I guess its just a by-product of having one of the sharpest, if not THE sharpest cut in time (from what I read online).

Now, I do agree that this noise is unacceptable in a mixer of this caliber. I personally don't consider it much of a huge factor myself, since I only noticed this noise after reading about it online.

I also think that there are many other factors to take into consideration about the HAK other than the slight popping noises you get in switch mode....the HAK is still a great mixer.

:cheers:
 
RRP of 799 pounds! :rolleyes:

that and its made by pioneer, i think not

:)
 
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