I Got a Strategy for selling mixtapes...but is it legal???

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Triple I

The Biff Loman of FP...
Aight I've been thinking about a way that I can sell mixtapes without gettin punished for it...and I was thinking...if I'm about to get punished for selling tapes can I say that I was charging the consumer for the tape's cover...and a free CD was included? I just wanna see if it's legal and whether or not I should do that...
 
You mean like selling a bong and the weed comes free? .. its still illegal, your making profit from it.
 
mixtapekings do it that way, they sell mixtapekings-stickers for 7 dollars or so and along with it comes a free mixtape...
 
noblewordz said:
You mean like selling a bong and the weed comes free? .. its still illegal, your making profit from it.

Aight I figured out that it isn't a good idea...but not because of whut you said...lol...since if i charged for the cover...then that means that the person who did tha GFX would be entitled for 100% of the profit...and that wouldn't do me any good...cuz I'm sellin jus to give them money...lol...

but your analogy doesn't really work in this case since weed is illegal whether or not it's free...but a CD is perfectly legal, as long as you don't make any profit off of it...

someone tell me if I'm wrong...


But if I would pursue this method of "selling" mixtapes...then I would have to give the public something more appealing then a CD cover...

Precious P. said:
mixtapekings do it that way, they sell mixtapekings-stickers for 7 dollars or so and along with it comes a free mixtape...

yea...but whut can you do with a sticker...lol...If I do sumthin like that then peeps are gonna not gonna want to buy ish for me anymore if they can't do anything with a sticker...whut they gonna do, stick it up on their wall as a prize?...lol...

I jus wanna see if there is an alternate to givin out tapes for free...cuz one of my mans jus released a mixtape and told me all of the expenses and tha overall total...around 500 bucks...and then goin out to give tha tape for free? without any gurantees?
 
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Legal huh???

To tell you the truth, SELL YO SHYT ONLINE...

DON'T SELL YO SHYT ON THE STREET...

ONLY "SMALL TIME HUSTLERS" ARE FOUND ON THE STREET...

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX...
 
yea I've thought about that...about goin into the streets to sell as well as online...but i gotta come up with something to be safe from that notion that sellin mixtapes are illegal...cuz it's better to be safe then sorry ya dig?...i wanna at least care of this aspect before I make sales...cuz I know there's SOMETHING that I can do besides give them out for free...but if there isn't...then I guess I'm willin'....

but c'mon ya'll I want this to be an open discussion...a brainstorming session...I'm doing this for anyone in my position or wondering about this...
 
Here's what I do. I spin at a bar on the weekends. I charge a cover of 5-15 bucks depending on the crowd, and I always give out free mix CD's. I get a gauruntee from the bar, so I always make my DJ performance money. I will admit that my situation is unique, but it kinda falls along the lines of what you were asking. Maybe you could find something simmilar in your area.
 
Wait I'm tryin to figure out whut you said...whut exactly are you charging $5 to $15 for? your services as a DJ? and if that's the case...then you're using your gigs as a DJ to get free exposure and potentially futhering your exposure by passing out mix CDs...and I guess your suggesting that I become a DJ...i dunno...i don't really have a full understanding on whut you're asking me to do...
 
Triple I said:
Aight I figured out that it isn't a good idea...but not because of whut you said...lol...since if i charged for the cover...then that means that the person who did tha GFX would be entitled for 100% of the profit...and that wouldn't do me any good...cuz I'm sellin jus to give them money...lol...

but your analogy doesn't really work in this case since weed is illegal whether or not it's free...but a CD is perfectly legal, as long as you don't make any profit off of it...

someone tell me if I'm wrong...


But if I would pursue this method of "selling" mixtapes...then I would have to give the public something more appealing then a CD cover...



yea...but whut can you do with a sticker...lol...If I do sumthin like that then peeps are gonna not gonna want to buy ish for me anymore if they can't do anything with a sticker...whut they gonna do, stick it up on their wall as a prize?...lol...

I jus wanna see if there is an alternate to givin out tapes for free...cuz one of my mans jus released a mixtape and told me all of the expenses and tha overall total...around 500 bucks...and then goin out to give tha tape for free? without any gurantees?


Man, you are slow!
They are selling tons of mixtapes claiming they sell their stickers. EVERYONE knows that they are infact paying for the mixtape, not the sticker.
You say "what should they do with the sticker", well, you planned to charge money for the cover, what should people do with the cover? Hang it up their wall or something?

Hope you got the point now!!!!



Yawn...
 
actually, that's what was happenin with all the mixtapes in the first place. the reason they said "For promotional use only" but were still charging for it was because they were claiming they were just charging for the cost of making the mixtape. in all actuality, they were probably profiting from it

so what u'r sayin is basically the same thing
 
selling mixtapes isn't illegal. how would they be?
 
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SELLING MIXTAPES IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE - 1: You don't own the "ALL" of the copyrights...

"IF"

YOU ARE USING OTHER ARTISTS' MATERIAL...
 
Just trying to think outside the box a little, but what if you charge the online client's for "requesting" to be on your mailing list. Instead of them paying you for a product, they are paying you for a service. What you choose to mail out to the members of your mailing list is on you. In addition, if you grow your list like crazy, you can charge other companies for inserting their ish in your package too.

Regarding MIXTAPEKINGS, sort of reminds me of Beat Street. When they used to sell their CD's (after the heat came down), they were selling these very inexpensive CD holders. You buy the holder, you get a "free" CD. I guess it's a work around. Good luck. I am exploring the mailing list idea... I like that one... Any input pros/cons to "packaging" the CD distribution in this manner?
 
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Triple I said:
someone tell me if I'm wrong...


you are wrong.

It is illegal to even GIVE AWAY the mixtape.


Everyone here is giving such bad information it is not even funny.

It is not your music to sell... it is not your music to give away... it is not your music. Period.


it does not matter if you say "for promotional use only"-- that does not make it legal.



If you are going to make and distribute unauthorized mixtapes (whether you sell them or give them away) then you are doing something illegal. Do it at your own risk. But no matter how you dress it up, you are doing something illegal no matter how you look at it.

Nobleson said:
Just trying to think outside the box a little, but what if you charge the online client's for "requesting" to be on your mailing list. Instead of them paying you for a product, they are paying you for a service. What you choose to mail out to the members of your mailing list is on you. In addition, if you grow your list like crazy, you can charge other companies for inserting their ish in your package too.

Regarding MIXTAPEKINGS, sort of reminds me of Beat Street. When they used to sell their CD's (after the heat came down), they were selling these very inexpensive CD holders. You buy the holder, you get a "free" CD. I guess it's a work around. Good luck. I am exploring the mailing list idea... I like that one... Any input pros/cons to "packaging" the CD distribution in this manner?


that is all obviously illegal, too.

There is no "workaround."


You have to get permission to give away "free" CD's.

Triple I said:
I jus wanna see if there is an alternate to givin out tapes for free...


that is not legal either... you are still doing something illegal what you give other people's music/property away for free.
 
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SO YOU CAN'T DO SH@T in a nutshell without......

SO In a nutshell you can't do SH#T AT ALL with a song unless you are the copyright holder OR have permission from the copyright holder (which is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY unlikely).
 
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WOW ...

Are any of you guys up on the mixtape scene ??? It's still up and
running and doing well ... Tapes are still being sold left and right
on the net and it's not going away anytime soon ... The people
who are going down are the bootleggers who are giving the mixtape
scene a bad rep and to the RIAA they bunch it up as all the same.
If your out slanging album cuts all over a mixtape and it's selling MEGA
copies of course their gonna look at you (If your moving thousands of
copies). Those tracks have copyrights and are sold in stores and their
going to want their money.

But what about the tons of tracks that are done and just given to
DJ's and just put out there
? Or done specifically for mixtapes or just
put out on the net ? Those songs aren't owned by labels ...

It's a grey area ... But mixtapes ain't going away and as long as your
not bootlegging joints your good. Have you never seen people walking
down the street selling mixtapes ? Do regular officers arrest them for
selling mixtapes ? No lol ... Their are legalities to it but their are lupoles
as well you just have to know whats what. if your worrying about it you
probly not THAT BIG anyway ... They dont fry the small fish they go
after the big ones selling thousands of copies and moving lot of units.

Also DJ Drama & Don Cannon are not in jail & they haven't been
pressed with any charges yet either as of right now and it's been
a min since their arrest ... And Drama just released a new mixtape !
 
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dvyce said:
you are wrong.

It is illegal to even GIVE AWAY the mixtape.


Everyone here is giving such bad information it is not even funny.

It is not your music to sell... it is not your music to give away... it is not your music. Period.


it does not matter if you say "for promotional use only"-- that does not make it legal.



If you are going to make and distribute unauthorized mixtapes (whether you sell them or give them away) then you are doing something illegal. Do it at your own risk. But no matter how you dress it up, you are doing something illegal no matter how you look at it.




that is all obviously illegal, too.

There is no "workaround."


You have to get permission to give away "free" CD's.




that is not legal either... you are still doing something illegal what you give other people's music/property away for free.

Your absolutely right...
 
aight dvyce says that it's illegal to even give away a mixtape...I mean I'm wondering are Instrumentals actually sold? because that's the only thing that's goin to be on a mixtape of mine that belongs to someone else...but it's not really taking any money out of their mouth since I'm not seeing any money from their work...I wanna know if DL'in instrumentals also counts as piracy...

and I mean it's not like producers or the artists don't know whut's up...If they don't want their beats tampered with...then they wouldn't of allowed it to be released in the first place...they woulda held tight security on those beats...instead of allowing them to have such easy accessibility...on tha other hand...the actual defintion of a copyright reads...

"the exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit a literary, musical, or artistic work, whether printed, audio, video, etc.: works granted such right by law on or after January 1, 1978, are protected for the lifetime of the author or creator and for a period of 50 years after his or her death".

H&R said:
There are legalities to it but there are loopholes as well you just have to know whats what.
that's whut I'm tryin to arm myself with...because if Drama can dodge all of these obstacles...then i know I can damn sure surpass all of these obstacles...

because I'm an asipiring artist at the bottom of the bottom...I don't got bread to jus hire producers and get beats from them and will hardly have enough time to make beats of my own...plus...using the instrumentals that are out now and popular is a good business move...since the beat that the demographic I'm aiming for has already heard will attract them almost automatically since they are already accustomed to the beat...and to hear fresh, new talent on them will increase my chances of gettin noticed by people...using industry beats gets the listener comfortable with they are listening to...and hopefully will get them comfortable with the individual they are listening to...to the point...they can move on to original beats without losing newly accquired fans this early in their career...

It's like the same thing that new artists couple of years ago that are now established (i.e. The Game) where doing to get noticed out of the sea of new talent that was out there...They would hop on an industry beat with a Fallen Soldier like BIG or Pac or Pun...because those individuals were and still are revered within the hip-hop community...so people would see that acapellas of the greats were on their tapes to check them out...and eventually get exposure...and now look at where Game went after those mixtapes...with Dre and makin arguable classics with the man...

It's technically the same method with mixtapes as to attract an audience...the ultimate goal is to display whut you have to offer for the industry and for the hip-hop community...but you utilize soomething that the public is used to (industry instrumentals) and hit them upside they head with the new stuff you have to put on the table...and hopefully get exposure...the producers and artists that are makin these industry records were once at the lowest level of tryin to get to where they are at today...so they should be able to understand...and if selling mixtapes is so damn illegal...then frankly i think that it woulda got shut down a loooooong time ago...

and sorry for makin so much to read...i got carried away...

PS.
Precious P. said:
They are selling tons of mixtapes claiming they sell their stickers. EVERYONE knows that they are infact paying for the mixtape, not the sticker.
You say "what should they do with the sticker", well, you planned to charge money for the cover, what should people do with the cover? Hang it up their wall or something?

Hope you got the point now!!!!


lolol...I do get the point now...
 
i'm laughin at this guy not getting the sticker idea!!! Sorry, it was just real funny to me.
 
naw naw...it's aight...lol...I jus care about the people that are gettin my ****...and I ain't want them to get duped or nuthin...but I was focusing a bit too much on tha sticker...lmao...I wasn't lookin at tha bigger picture...but c'mon...I know that's not all you have on your mind...make some input in our discussion...
 
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