J-Dilla's drums, no off-topic convo's please

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Whatup everyone, i just got into this producing bout a year ago mostly because of listening to J Dilla works. Him and madlib are my fav producers, but I still can't believe how he gets his drums so crisp.

There was another thread about his drums, but it got way off topic. I have heard from other producers that he would master his drums seperate from everything else before in order to attain this, but I do not know much about mastering or if this is even a common thing. Either way, if anyone has any info or tips to attain drums with that kick and clarity throw down some feedback.
 
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its all in eq, compression, slight use of reverb at times.................

try it
 
PBoyProducer said:
did n e one check out that porn convention in LA this past weekend???
That shlt was off the heezy mang! I actually got too [edited for your safety - FP for da kidz] on Jenna's fo'head in the Onion Booty Skeetomatic Simulator 3000 SX.

Man, it's key to dig for some drums. Find raw, live sounding ones... str8 off a record. Then edit them like PBoy said, the important thing is finding ones that compliment the sample. Then continue to edit them to fit the sample perfectly. Don't just edit "crisp" drums seperately just like JDilla and add them to any beat... good producer's make everything work together.
 
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DaOriginalBlade said:
That shlt was off the heezy mang! I actually got too [edited for your safety - FP for da kidz] on Jenna's fo'head in the Onion Booty Skeetomatic Simulator 3000 SX.

Man, it's key to dig for some drums. Find raw, live sounding ones... str8 off a record. Then edit them like PBoy said, the important thing is finding ones that compliment the sample. Then continue to edit them to fit the sample perfectly. Don't just edit "crisp" drums seperately just like JDilla and add them to any beat... good producer's make everything work together.

Co-sign. Lol
 
layering is the key man, i hear that dilla used to use like ten snares........alltho i dunno how true that is
 
Plus Dilla actually played drums. He sampled alot of his drums live.
 
Its all about Dre's drums not Dilla. Or even better cop a drum set and make ur **** knock ?uestLove style
 
Here is an extract from Red Bull Music Academy a lecture featuring: Bob Powers where he talks about working with Dilla drums during a session.If you don't know who Bob Powers is he the man behind enigneering and recording for A Tribe called Quest on the Classics. Not to mention Common,Miss Badu,The Roots (mixing)...

Participant: »Jay Dee is a producer I really respect and I know that you engineered something with Common that Jay Dee produced. I was wondering his issue with heavy beats, because his beats are really loud. By that time, were you used to that type of beats because you were doing Tribe stuff and you pretty much understood that whole concept?«

Bob Power: »You hold the mic like an emcee!«

Participant: »Yeah, I’m an emcee, too, so you know…«

Bob Power: »Two things. Number one, with guys like Common, same thing with Tip, I never have the feeling I get it right. I really feel that some of his vocals are too soft on some of the stuff. That said, I mixed a record that Jay Dee produced most of for him, and some stuff for Tribe as well, Jay Dee is a pretty brilliant guy. You know his stuff is really simple , but one of his brilliant things is, the kick he chooses, where he tunes it, and where the bass is in relation to that. People who mix bottom-heavy music will know that that’s like ninety percent of the battle. So Jay Dee’s stuff in a weird way is easier to deal with as a mixer, than it might sound. And that’s another thing, if you know this, if you’re dealing with samples or just drum sounds on their own, where you tune them is absolutely key to both, the feel and the sonics of the track as well. And where you tune the kick drum versus where the vocals are going to sit and where the bassline is, if you haven’t dealt with it, you should.«

RBMA: »Where do you tune them? Within the actual gear you’re using, or…?«

Bob Power: »Yeah, in the sampler. And you know what? I usually follow the groove first, wherever the thing kind of feels the best, is where I’ll sit not saying ‘oh good, it will stay out of the way of the vocals’. No, the groove has got to be solid and feel great. There’s another thing, sometimes you do that and you say, “wow, I really like the bottom of the thing when it’s tuned way down, but I like the pop when it’s tuned way up”, so you know what? You have two separate key maps and you put them both together. You usually have to advance the lower one, because the attack is at the wrong time. And sometimes if you sequence two things at the same time, you get phasing, which isn’t always what you want. Yeah, you’ve got to kind of pay attention to that, but that’s also something you sometimes have to do, or bring in a deeper sound and put it behind it. And you don’t want to hear those things as separate sounds, that’s the other key and that was a big thing in the making of the Tribe records. A lot of times with the early records, we put stuff down and I would say “yeah, but the bass doesn’t sound just deep enough. Do you mind if I double it?” So, modern synthesizers are great and virtual synths are great, but the one truly wonderful thing a Juno 106 is great for, and I still love it although I hate big pieces of hardware, is, it has this kind of ‘subby’ bass thing that you can sneak in behind other basses and you don’t hear it as a distinct octave down, you just feel this thing. So we did a lot of that, too.«

For the entire lecture go here the link look for Bob Powers:
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/TUTORS.9.0.html?id=9&act_session=190
 
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Thanks alot lil jbm, that's exactly what I was looking for. Every time I think I've read all the things there is on Dilla I find something else. I'm not trying to bite, I really want to get insights on how he got his sound the way he did.

I don't understand what he means by tuning to the sample in this redbull academy interview. Does he mean you filter the instrument into mids or lows or highs in order to tune the pitch of each seperately? Is this a common technique for beat, I tune drums to fit the beat but don't really have pitch attomation in anything I do.
 
He's talking about tuning in the sampler. On your sampler you can tune the drums to make them work with the sample you're using Check for a pitch knob if it don't see a knob or device that's says tune.In Dilla's case on that track Bob mixed he was refering to how Dilla tunes the kick with the bassline.

I, myself don't use this tech. but might play around with it one day when I got time to just toy with the tunes. Don't get too caught up in tuning though if it sounds good to you then do it.

Just remember what Bob said about Grooves that's what's important.
 
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thanks for the article, good read. make me think about how my drums are tuned
 
the truthe™ said:
layering is the key man, i hear that dilla used to use like ten snares........alltho i dunno how true that is
Now, that's stupid.
 
jgbs75 said:
STOP BITING! Get your own style :mad:



Dont be a Prick...Dude didnt ask how to get Dilla's drums just the way he gets them so crisp and clear..thats not biting at all. Dont we all as producers want our Drum having a good sound? Does that make us biters..You such a Prick for your response..try helping someone instead of putting them down..SUCKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Mr. Yea I Said It"
 
jgbs75 said:
STOP BITING! Get your own style :mad:

Really, m-man's appreciation and interest in production is inspired by one of the greatest producers ever...Plus, what producer in hip-hop doesn't bite from someone else? How often has Melvin Bliss's "Synthetic Substitution" break been "bitten"?
 
the truthe™ said:
layering is the key man, i hear that dilla used to use like ten snares........alltho i dunno how true that is
F*ck layering! ten snares, NEVER!!! every producer i talked with told me, that the most drums from homeproducer sound so ****ty because they layer too much!

i dont layer. we live in 2008.. we got machines/plug that give them more (sub)bass and whatever. layering is good, but u have to know what u want!! more than 2 (or maybe 3) drums layert its bull****. it only sounds sloober. mix the frequencies of ten snares, the ATTACKS(!!!!),phasing[FONT=&quot], [/FONT]etc... good luck! :D
 
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The trick with layering is to use samples that compliment each other, combining samples that are lacking individually but together create a cohesive sound. Personally I don't layer much any more, I'm lucky enough to be able to find the sounds I want right from the jump. I prefer that, I'd rather have the right sound from the beginning that have to over process samples to get them "bang".

Personally what I like about Dilla was the patterns and swing. I don't think he really had amazing drum samples, just his sound selection and skill were so on point..

I'm not really a big Dilla fan I just have 3 2005 beat CD's. But I have a lot of respect for him.
 
noblewordz said:
Personally what I like about Dilla was the patterns and swing. I don't think he really had amazing drum samples, just his sound selection and skill were so on point..
thats the point!
 
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