New Pt-2400's???

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Oh bollox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here i am, six weeks after deciding on a combination of Pt-2400's and a Pio DJM300 mixer for £700, and working my *** of to get the money, and i read in the next DJmag that Gemini are bringing out a new Pt-2400 turntable.

I'm not going to fork out my hard-earned money for some new TT's if there gonna be superseeded in their own farking product line!

Anyone know ANYTHING about this?
 
thats the problem with buying from gemeni numark adj and to a lesser extent vestax, you know theyre gonna bring out a new deck in 6 months. technics. amen.
 
If I was you I'd go to Richer Sounds (www.richersounds.com) and buy 2 x 1210 at GBP315 each and get a crappy mixer for the rest of the money.

Much much much better than buying crappy decks and a nice mixer.

Good luck!
 
I wouldn't say crappy decks if i hadn't eveer touched them, Siv. I've used the 2400's and they're ****e-hot- not tech's- but closer than i'll ever need considering i don't scratch. I can say from actually using them back-to-back that they almost equal the Techs in terms of power and pitch accuracy, and build quality seems fine- but they're not gonna get farking cained sitting in my bedroom are they.

Also- the morons at DJMag got it wrong- they were just quoting the gemini website on the 2400 thing!
 
you'll still find yourself in 1 or 2 or 3 years thinking "how could i be so stupid to waste my money on these, now ive gotta spend more money to get technics and these aren't worth jack, and the FP crew told me this would happen, god im stupid"
 
Maybe so mate, but hopefully in 1 or 2 years time i'll have a full-time job and will be able to afford Techs!

Maybe so mate, but i've tried them back to back against Techs and they seem great so i don't think they'll be quite as bad as you say!

In fact, a lot of people on FP think quite highly of them!

Thanks for the advice anyway :)
 
StevePhillips said:
I wouldn't say crappy decks if i hadn't eveer touched them, Siv.

Steve, why the unfounded accusation? I played a mate's house party about 6 months ago on a pair of PT-2400s. I didn't know I had to 'qualify' my experience before giving advice (and remember, it's only advice!!).
Maybe my reference to 'crappy' decks is a little extreme but there's a reason why you find 1200s is every club around the world... They are the most reliable, sturdy and accurate decks you can buy without spending silly money.

I find that you can never go wrong with a pair of 1200s/1210s if you can afford them. The only thing, in my experience, that performs anything like a 1200 are the Vestax decks and if you like them then the choice is yours.

Now you say you are going to spend GBP700 - quite clearly you can afford to get a pair of 1210s and a cheap Numark/Cintronix (or similar) mixer to fill the gap until you get your full time job and can get a better mixer.

I can promise you one thing - buy the Technics and you'll never want for another deck again.
 
Sorry mate, i wasn't trying to accuse you, but it is common to see people bashing anything non-Technics without trying anything except a pair of xl-500's or something.

The point i was trying to make was, having tried the two decks back to back, the Gemini's had no drawbacks at all, and they were VERY similar. therefore the jump to tech's in a club will be tiny, and if i can mix on the 2400's then i am sure i will be able to transfer that to a Techs/club situation as the difference is minimal. Sure, in perhaps a years time then the accuracy of the pitch may perhaps bug me (i couldn't detect anything like that when i tried them), or maybe i will start scratching (i VERY much doubt it though!),

At the moment however, having a piece of sherite mixer will hold me back than technics decks, and by the time i upgrade i should have a full time job, so the £300 difference in upgrading decks rather than a mixer will be feck all, and i won't have been held back by anything for a whole year or so.

Anyway, i just HAD to have the djm300 mixer from the moment i saw it! Its suberb, the build quality is awesome and the nobs and faders are smooth and effective. Oh, and sound quality kicks the 170's butt!

Cheers for the advice, i hope i explained myself better this time! :D
 
Ok, why would ANYONE rather play on crappy decks and a crappy mixer VS crappy decks and a nice mixer? Sure crappy decks may be a pain, but they basically do the same things that good decks do. That's not true with a mixer. If you've got a good mixer you can just plain do a lot more.
 
whilst i dont consider my djm 300 a crappy mixer, im certainly used to using much better mixers, id choose a vestax pmc270 in a flash over it. sure the djm 300 is good, its got the familiar pioneer layout and good quality, its just nothing standout, in fact i liked my old dx500 better. and the biggest let down on the djm 300 is the headphone amp, its dreadful, horrible, i hate it.

i have to disagree totally with you. as someone who has a djm 300 hooked up to a pair of decks that are ALMOST technics, i would trade my decks and mixer in a flash for a pair of 1200's and a cheaper mixer. these decks im talking about are the denon dpdj101, theyre on the same par as pt2400's and numark tt whatevers. really i hate using them. it gets dead frustrating not having them act like technics. i detest the fact that i have to use them. yeah sure they seemed good when i first got them, buyt now i've realised they act nothing like technics and wont last half as long as techs (and i assume the same for every other manufacturer, including vestax). thank fluff i got given them. and thank fluff my 1210's overseas will soon be back with me, and the subpar decks can be relegated to my stereo in my lounge room for listening purposes only.

say you bought a behringer dx100 (which fits in you 700 pount budget alongside a pair of technics), you would not be held back in comparison to a djm 300, they perform the same function and the behringers have all but one feature that the djm 300 has. but who needs bpm counters anyway? the behringer has transsform buttons that are a plus, if you into that sort of thing.

please dont tell me "oh i dont scratch so these will do me", i dont scratch, never have, never will, i can't stand sub standard decks, they make mixing so much harder. they dont hold their pitch as well, their platters are generally lighter so its harder to make small pitch bends using the platter.

hold the press! i just called my friend who owns a pair of pt 2410's. same as the 2400's but with that little display, i've only been round to his place for a mix once, and so i don't think that was enough to formulate a full opinion. but, i did find them a pain in the *** to use in comparison to the 1200's im used to. anyway, he says yeah theyre an ok deck, but he confirms what i've said, theyre no-where near as good as 1200's. dont hold their pitch as well, and have way lighter platters (meaning less torque, meaning annoying to mix with) and they arent bult as well. now another thing i know from experience is this dude has a hell of a time whenever he plays on 1200's he just cant do it. why? because the gemini's behave very differently.

bottom line, you'd be making a mistake to but 2x 2400's and 1x djm 300.

for 700 pounds you can get a pair of 1200's from richer sounds, and a behringer dx100 from sapphires. in my opinion the dx100 is the biggest steal in the dj world today, apart from technics which will always be worth 3 times whatever you pay for them, cheap, feature pakced, well built, good sound. when friends ask me what mixer to get and say "i just want something cheap so if i dont like this dj'ing thing i havent wasdted too much money" so they go buy a dx100 and a pair of 1200s second hand. now about 3 of these friends are nearing the standard to play in clubs after 18-24 months, and guess what? the dx100 is serving them perfectly well and none of them are contemplating replacing it in the forseeable future. when they do itll be with some big ugly club mixer (djm 500, pmc 55, xone 62 *shudder*, smac40). sure they couldve bought a djm 300, theyd be just as happy with their mixer but theyd be stuck with dodgy decks.

i hope ive made sense. im just trying to stop you wasting money and time and frustration on something that careful purchasing can prevent.
 
ahhh crap i fcuked up. i forgot that the dx100 lacks eq on each channel. you guys would be quick to point that out too ;) as bbl or other roatary users will tell you, you dont need eq to mix. but damn it sure is nice :D maybe the dx100 isnt the right mixer, find something else cheap that has eq.........maybe a gemini pmx or something like that........or numark dm2000
 
Steve, listen to Undercurrent. The man speaks sense.

I know I'm Technics biased (just bought deck number 4 last night) but they are solid decks.

One thing I found with my buddy and his 2400s is that he was constantly using the pitch blend buttons to correct his mixes. Whilst this was fine and he sounded OK, remember that if you learn this way and that's all you can do and someone sticks you in a club where there will be a 99% chance of having a pair of Technics in, you're not going to be able to use them.

The resale value of Technics are solid also - you can sell a pair for only a small reduction on the original purchase price. Just look in the 2nd hand pages to see.

One of the clubs I play in has a 1200 and a Vestax 500 and a double CD player. Now I only play off vinyl so hadly even use the CD player but the resident DJ (especially when he's in a bad mood) only uses the 1200 and the CDs. He never touches the other deck - not that it's crap - far from it, I use it all the time - just that it's not the best.

On the mixer note, I've made do with a Numark DM1000 at home for a while now and you could probably get one for under GBP100. OK, it's a crap mixer BUT it has EQs on each channel and a crossfader and if you're only mixing then that's all you need. Yes the Pioneer is a nice mixer but not worth getting if you're just starting out. The reason it's nice is that the build quality is very good - just like the Technics.

I'll say it again - I've used several types of decks - gigging in clubs/house parties/mobile discos/on the radio - Gemini/Denon/Numark/Vestax/belt drive/dd etc etc and the only one I keep coming back to is the Technics and that's what sits in my house and in most of the clubs I play in and all the clubs I go to to party!! ;)

At the end of the day, the choice is yours. Good luck!
 
Undercurrent said:

hold the press! i just called my friend who owns a pair of pt 2410's. same as the 2400's but with that little display, i've only been round to his place for a mix once, and so i don't think that was enough to formulate a full opinion. but, i did find them a pain in the *** to use in comparison to the 1200's im used to. anyway, he says yeah theyre an ok deck, but he confirms what i've said, theyre no-where near as good as 1200's. dont hold their pitch as well, and have way lighter platters (meaning less torque, meaning annoying to mix with) and they arent bult as well. now another thing i know from experience is this dude has a hell of a time whenever he plays on 1200's he just cant do it. why? because the gemini's behave very differently.

Funny...I just played with a friend's pair of PT-2100s and they have WAY (and I mean WAY) more torque than the 1200 series, even with the useless stock slipmats from Gemini. My 1200 "throw" sent the record ahead about 1/2 beat -- it's just not necessary. Find the cue point, and lift yer finger -- that's it. Looking at the manuals, the figures bear out the higher torque on the Geminis.
Now, that'll cause problems when you're in a 1200 environment and have to throw a bit harder, no doubt. Also, build quality isn't as good: there are two plastic nipples on the platter underside that are meant to be fitted to the motor plate, and one of them was missing. Result: lopsided spin to the platter. Also, I didn't have much of a problem with pitch control -- seemed to work fine. What didn't work very well was Gemini's pitch bend +/- buttons, but as someone already pointed out, it's better to learn corrections without them.
 
I'll Be Honest..........

Being honest !!

In the UK are the following prices -:

PT-2410 £329

Tech 1210 £375 (Proper UK version - not Euro)

PDX-2000 £369

For the sake of about £90, do yourself a favour m8 and buy yourself some Techs or Vestax.

Vestax and Technics (more so) have proved themselves over a number of years, both in concerts and club venues. (If u notice both brands have avid supporters and SPONSERS)

I suppose you can always 'Want To Be Different', but there are enough people on this site who have a wealth of info on Turntables and Equipment.

I know if I had no equipment but lots of money (like u) I know exactly what I would buy!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and as for torque.The torque quoted in the manual is 'start-up torque', this is the twist needed to get the platter going to the selected speed, once at that speed, it changes to 'momentum torque' (the twist required to keep the speed constant) and Technics (without any doubts) have the highest momentum torque, higher than that of Vestax and Stanton.

The old addage ' Don't Believe the HYPE!! ' may apply !
 
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djq said:
Being honest !!

Oh and as for torque.The torque quoted in the manual is 'start-up torque', this is the twist needed to get the platter going to the selected speed, once at that speed, it changes to 'momentum torque' (the twist required to keep the speed constant) and Technics (without any doubts) have the highest momentum torque, higher than that of Vestax and Stanton.


Ah, yes...so perhaps it's not the pitch control that's drifting, it's "wow and flutter" from the momentum torque being lower. One question, thought: why would a motor have a higher torque at start up than at 33 1/3? I mean, poor start-up torque can be compensated for, but if the blasted thing is slowing and gaining minutely throughout a five-minute spin, that's a major pain in the a$$!
 
Tricksta!!

I just read your bio in the Aural Exciter review...I knew yours was an informed opinion, but I had no idea just how informed! Mad props for audio excellence!!
 
Re: Tricksta!!

jimmymack said:
I just read your bio in the Aural Exciter review...I knew yours was an informed opinion, but I had no idea just how informed! Mad props for audio excellence!!


:D :D :D Thanx dude ! Im glad u liked the review :) its things like this that keep me going ! :victory:
 
Techs, whatever

I am so sick of hearing all of this loyalty to the technics. In response to everyone saying that all the clubs use them. This is solely due to the fact that ten years ago, they were the only decks capable of dj demands. I have owned a shiny new pair of tech 1200mk2's and you know what? I sold them within two months because i spun on a friend's Numark tt-2 and it is a superior turntable. The torque was better, the deck is better built and it has more functions that make it fit the needs of the more curent dj.:cheers:
 
HHmmmm.

One question, thought: why would a motor have a higher torque at start up than at 33 1/3?

As far as I'm aware as a Physicist, Torque has nothing to do with angular or tangential speed of the platter, Torque is the FORCE driving it.

It is the timing devices inside, i.e. Quartz that keep the table at its designated drive speed.

And if you want PT2100's go get them, but I promise I will only laugh quietly.:D
 
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