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DjRicoKiNg
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OK DANCE HALL AND REGGAETON PRODUCER'S I HAVE TO DROP THIS ISSUE WHICH GENRE IS BETTER? Reggaeton OR Dance Hall.
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Krazzy1
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hmmmmmm....does any producers even ask such a question?? seen that Reggaeton was basically born from Dancehall ! well here is my take on da question... if it wasnt for dancehall No iba a existir el Dembow which means no Reggaeton, so U tell me?
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i like dancehall way more than i like reggaeton (do i like reggaeton actually ...)
anyway, everybody his opinion. I won't restart this discussion anymore.
anyway, everybody his opinion. I won't restart this discussion anymore.
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DjRicoKiNg
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Krazzy1 said:
Well, Like ever genre comes from some other genre. But you have a good point. U might wana listen to Tito el Bambino and Beanie Man's new song it's pretty good. Has a twist with Dance hall Y Reggaeton
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Krazzy1
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DjRicoKiNg said:
I know son! " Flow Natural " dat **** is Krazzy I like it ... also " Bella Danza " from Don Omar ft. Beenie Man... they both genre is nice... just dat my point made sence right! anyways checl out myspace sometimes and let me know wat u think bout my work iight!
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hi-tech
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I say dancehall since i was raised on it...following my roots etc... I do like reggeton however, the latests styles tho, I like the synths/sounds some of these producers use, very creative, even tho its laid over the typical 4/4 pattern, they make it sound hot.
But then again thats just the trends, dancehall is of course getting more creative as well. Some sick ass riddims out now.
But then again thats just the trends, dancehall is of course getting more creative as well. Some sick ass riddims out now.
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GuitarplayainMD
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Jeez, that's like comparing Speed Metal to Thrash. I'm more partial to Dancehall, but I like some reggaeton.
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Rebelutionary
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Is this some kind of a joke. Without Dancehall there would be no Reggaeton. Why the hell is it called Reggaeton when there are no elements of reggae in it. Reggae and Dancehall are two different genres, jack Dancehall beats and make it your own and boom you have a new genre. What a joke. The Skatalites blended elements of Ska and latin music ages ago when these reggaeton boys were not born yet. Should that be called Reggaeton too? lets see I wil jack jack hip hip I will blend it with dancehall and death metal. I will call it Rapton. I will also not give credit to the conutry and the people that created hip hop, sure you can see where I am going with this. Do your self a favor and pick up "Riddim Driven: Sleng Teng Extravaganza" I am sure this question wont even cross your minds again. Please I beg you also, do not jack the sleng teng riddim it is better is its pure uncontaminated form. I do not want to hear some reggaeton version of it.
I HATE REGGAETON!!!
I HATE REGGAETON!!!
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belizeño
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dancehall! although reggaeton is nice, needs some more variation
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p_louis
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I understand where Rebel is cumin from, but truth be told, its like comparing two different vibes, both culturally informed. I dont ever bring myself to compare the two, because not more than a minute ago, I couldnt stomach reggaeton. In the last three years, it grew on me, and I realized in part that it was just on some different ****. In other words, its a cultural movement, like slackness lets say, but a spanish speaking caribbean version, done with the language, body and spoken, from that place. Its also something other than dancehall, because it developed not only with the dembow riddem, but with the vocal inflections of New York Hip Hop. When they started bringing that NY flow in, they ended up creating there own fusion, because most of the attempts to sound like Jamaican toasters was just fallin flat, if u ask me. Add in more of the local sounds, them latin carribean sounds, merengue, bachata, salsa, et al, and u got some other ****. In other words, instead of the Skatalites bringing home latin, u got these Puerto Rican, Dominican, and now Cuban cats bringing home dancehall. Now its just something else, that has to keep evolving before it suffocates itself. The **** is danceable though. Its movin alot a folk. Bout respect, it does have to be given to JA, for certain. But you know that sometimes mutha****as is too parochial, and so they get on some **** like you saw 13 years ago with L.A. forgetting NYC, the cradle, and more extreme even, downright dissing it.
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Here Here good points . Plenty of room for all music and all types of people ,Why does every thing have to 'BETTER" than something else.
Dammn i was 15 years olds in 1980 and let me tell u NObody listened or liked Reggae ,(Except me and my Possi, it was OUR thing)even in Jamacia it was 'Dirty Dreadlock Music" I was there early this year and its Bob Market Marley every where. The man could hardly get played back in the day..... I wasnt to cool on Reggaeton when i first heard it, then i saw it in CONTEXT in Panama , THEY LOVE It , cause they dance alot , reggae will only play for like 2-3 songs then people leave the dance floor. I know Yardeys can hype a tune but dem latins, boy dem have dance festivals for 4 days straight , Iman couldnt keep up. Ok ..so heres what i was told by the locals, u tell me (o boy) Panamaians swear that Reggaeton started in PANAMA and only got big in Puerto Rico because of its ties with the huge music market of the US . Just whot i heard , im o the opinion that ALL beats were made (like the dude said) a million years ago with rocks and sticks This is especialy true of Afro/latin based music , u just feel dont U?
NOW GO MAKE BEATS
Dammn i was 15 years olds in 1980 and let me tell u NObody listened or liked Reggae ,(Except me and my Possi, it was OUR thing)even in Jamacia it was 'Dirty Dreadlock Music" I was there early this year and its Bob Market Marley every where. The man could hardly get played back in the day..... I wasnt to cool on Reggaeton when i first heard it, then i saw it in CONTEXT in Panama , THEY LOVE It , cause they dance alot , reggae will only play for like 2-3 songs then people leave the dance floor. I know Yardeys can hype a tune but dem latins, boy dem have dance festivals for 4 days straight , Iman couldnt keep up. Ok ..so heres what i was told by the locals, u tell me (o boy) Panamaians swear that Reggaeton started in PANAMA and only got big in Puerto Rico because of its ties with the huge music market of the US . Just whot i heard , im o the opinion that ALL beats were made (like the dude said) a million years ago with rocks and sticks This is especialy true of Afro/latin based music , u just feel dont U?
NOW GO MAKE BEATS
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Billyjohn said:
that's very true, i got some old congolese records from the early 50's with traditional bantu music on it, and the rithems are just the same like most calypso/dancehall/soca/hiphop of today... only the instrumentation and the language is different (then they sang in lingala and other african languages in stead of spanish or english dialects)
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Wicked ,sample Dat !
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p_louis
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Billlyjohn,
This is the sense Im getting on the Panama/PR debate. Mind you, Im PRican from NYC and Ive only been living here on the island over the last three years when the regton has blown up. The panamanian cats were the ones who introduced dancehall to the latins in the caribbean. In NYC latins got dancehall early on and we didnt need the translation. I remember hearing of the original productions that were making their way to NYC back in the late 80's, and when I visited PR in 92', and it was straight up spanish language version of the sounds coming out of Jamaica. Now the Puerto Ricans got it and immediately started doing something different, in large part because they couldnt sound like the Panamanian or the Jamaican Toasters. I mean, they tried, and yikes...that stuff was ugly for the most part!!!! The panamanians had it together just cuz they have that connection to Jamaica having come from there. So when the Puerto Ricans introduced their own sound into it, things started to change up. This is basically what the Playero stuff is all about. And not just on the lyrical side, but on the beats as well. For a long minute, they wound up that dembow riddem so fast that it might have well been soca!!!! Eventually by the late 90's they started slowing it down again and by then they had put together they own fusion which was movin' outside of Puerto Rico all over the place, in the states and in latin america. Now, it could be that Puerto Rican connection with the U.S. helped them explode over the last three years, because my sense is that the U.S. based Spanish speaking media started exposing it over the last three years, and that helped it to break into to a wider, even non spanish speaking market. I mean what happened was that Telemundo and Univision, the stations that got the U.S. latins on lock, wanted to reach the young urban latinos. So they started doing these shows that would take hip hop and hip hop in spanish, and putting on the talent. The only cats who were putting it on in spanish and who already had a following in the east and in the spanish speaking caribbean were the reggaeton heads cuz it was already selling in them parts. With that exposure, they exploded overnight. Of course many of these cats have been doing reggaeton for as many years as it was around, so they really began to reap what they had sown. Bottom line, I do think that the panamanians got it right in part, cuz i do think that the most recent boom has alot to do with that U.S. spanish langugae television and radio exposure. But the fact that people, even in Panama from what i been told, are feeling the reggaeton stuff out of PR says that it is movin folk. Shoot, they doing big tours in Europe and Japan too, so its definitely doing something. I met a girl from Paris who new all the words to some of the joints. That bowled me over...That i think is cuz of the fusion, not just because of the exposure. In the end it aint dancehall no more. It's something else. Now I would not be surprised if the panamanian cats step up at some point and reclaim the sound now that the PRS have opened up the market.
This is the sense Im getting on the Panama/PR debate. Mind you, Im PRican from NYC and Ive only been living here on the island over the last three years when the regton has blown up. The panamanian cats were the ones who introduced dancehall to the latins in the caribbean. In NYC latins got dancehall early on and we didnt need the translation. I remember hearing of the original productions that were making their way to NYC back in the late 80's, and when I visited PR in 92', and it was straight up spanish language version of the sounds coming out of Jamaica. Now the Puerto Ricans got it and immediately started doing something different, in large part because they couldnt sound like the Panamanian or the Jamaican Toasters. I mean, they tried, and yikes...that stuff was ugly for the most part!!!! The panamanians had it together just cuz they have that connection to Jamaica having come from there. So when the Puerto Ricans introduced their own sound into it, things started to change up. This is basically what the Playero stuff is all about. And not just on the lyrical side, but on the beats as well. For a long minute, they wound up that dembow riddem so fast that it might have well been soca!!!! Eventually by the late 90's they started slowing it down again and by then they had put together they own fusion which was movin' outside of Puerto Rico all over the place, in the states and in latin america. Now, it could be that Puerto Rican connection with the U.S. helped them explode over the last three years, because my sense is that the U.S. based Spanish speaking media started exposing it over the last three years, and that helped it to break into to a wider, even non spanish speaking market. I mean what happened was that Telemundo and Univision, the stations that got the U.S. latins on lock, wanted to reach the young urban latinos. So they started doing these shows that would take hip hop and hip hop in spanish, and putting on the talent. The only cats who were putting it on in spanish and who already had a following in the east and in the spanish speaking caribbean were the reggaeton heads cuz it was already selling in them parts. With that exposure, they exploded overnight. Of course many of these cats have been doing reggaeton for as many years as it was around, so they really began to reap what they had sown. Bottom line, I do think that the panamanians got it right in part, cuz i do think that the most recent boom has alot to do with that U.S. spanish langugae television and radio exposure. But the fact that people, even in Panama from what i been told, are feeling the reggaeton stuff out of PR says that it is movin folk. Shoot, they doing big tours in Europe and Japan too, so its definitely doing something. I met a girl from Paris who new all the words to some of the joints. That bowled me over...That i think is cuz of the fusion, not just because of the exposure. In the end it aint dancehall no more. It's something else. Now I would not be surprised if the panamanian cats step up at some point and reclaim the sound now that the PRS have opened up the market.
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DjRicoKiNg
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all i have to say is p louis u have alot to say. ; )
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Billyjohn
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All right!! thats whot i was loolking for . Thanxs for the inside info P louis , now i can talk about this subject with some degree of knowledge
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xtraclip.com
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Reggaeton is too bubbly and repetitive for me. Plus I dont know what the Fuq they are saying. To each is own though.
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DOMINCANBOI
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DjRicoKiNg said:
i hear people labeling belly danza as reggaeton thats a modern dancehall beat!
the **** is not latin its african origin not latin origin theres a difference.
music like reggae and so so is black music, salsa and all that **** is latin which borrows african beats ironic not too many salsa artist are black or any other that music african slaves created is where are they in the mainstream? no where to be found only blancos
latinos like reggaeton cause of their understanding of their european language black people like reggae cause its a form of black music, the patois, and when i say black people i mean black caribbeans from english and french speaking islands and american blacks.
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reggaeton is a fake genre its only because the artist are hispanic thats why! how you gonna base a music off another and call it something else beats the hell out o me, thieves.
venesuela has soca music but they also use latin elements from what i was told in some songs but hey its still soca music and no socaton!
but on the flip side are there any artist complaining about it or are they just pc and want to make money off of it.
a dancehall production like belly danza gets called reggaeton wtf!
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I dont think their are any dancehall or reggae artist complaining about it. What I find strange is that when Jungle came out in the early 90's a lot of Jamaican artist were bitching about it. Mind you this was there own black brothers making this music and giving respect to reggae, dub and dancehall pioneers. Not the case to this socalled reggaeton, they outrigth refuse to give credit where it is due. Even Dubstep gives reggae, dub and dancehall more respect. And when people as stupid questions about which one is better they wonder why I get angry.DOMINCANBOI said:
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i'm not a guy who's complaining that reggaeton is exist or even that it's popular. Where i had problems with was the arrogant and aggresive way some ppl try to push it. I don't like it, a lot of ppl i know don't like it, and if you feel attacked, i don't give a flying ****!!!!!
And don't call it dancehall or reggae, it's reggaeton, wich is based on reggae and dancehall partly, and to wich it should give credit (some do, i know), but it's not dancehall nor reggae.
but a big part of the problem here, is that those reggaetonguy's took over this forum. I don't really mind, i got a lot of other fora to watch, but don't cuss me cause i say i don't like or play it like some did a while ago.
anyway, just my 2ct
And don't call it dancehall or reggae, it's reggaeton, wich is based on reggae and dancehall partly, and to wich it should give credit (some do, i know), but it's not dancehall nor reggae.
but a big part of the problem here, is that those reggaetonguy's took over this forum. I don't really mind, i got a lot of other fora to watch, but don't cuss me cause i say i don't like or play it like some did a while ago.
anyway, just my 2ct