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Jsteam
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I read somewhere that to make room for your vocals in a mix, you should pan your beat (stereo), so that your vocals are nicly fit? Can anybody elbroate on this?
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LostProfit
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You can pan elements of the beat so that the vocals can occupy the centre strut but I wouldn't pan the whole beat if thats what you mean? And I wouldn't have the vocals dead on centre either....pushing them a fraction to the side creates more space for one side of instrumental. But It depends....If it is more of a hardcore vibe you might want them at the bullseye.
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Emmapeel9
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I don't think it is the best way to go about things by fitting the vocal into the instrumentation last. I think it is better to mix things all together with the vocal being mixed early and the rest of the instrumentation mixed around it.
The way you are doing it, if you had the beat in mono and the vocal in mono at the centre then the whole thing is mono. It sounds better when some things are stereo.
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The way you are doing it, if you had the beat in mono and the vocal in mono at the centre then the whole thing is mono. It sounds better when some things are stereo.
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Jsteam
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Yes but the situation is, I just have an instrumental to work with, an instrumental I have boughten, and i i need to fit my vocals in it
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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If the beat is already mixed and all you're doing is adding voacls, you do not want to pan it. The beat should be evenly distributed through both speakers.
When mixing the beat, panning sounds gives everything in the beat it's own fit, but if the beat was mixed in mono(well), everything's been fit into place already without the use of pan. Tons of records have been done that way.
If your beat doesn't have a wide stereo range, giving more stereo range to your vocals will compensate.
When mixing the beat, panning sounds gives everything in the beat it's own fit, but if the beat was mixed in mono(well), everything's been fit into place already without the use of pan. Tons of records have been done that way.
If your beat doesn't have a wide stereo range, giving more stereo range to your vocals will compensate.
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AtomicXL
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LostProfit said:
What this guy said.
I find that the crazier the beat is (like lots of panning and its really busy), the more simplistic the vocal mix should be. For a beat thats kinda sparse and very down the middle, you can have more vocals tracks and position them and it won't sound too cluttered
Also, more than panning, I think the frequencies used can be very important. If your vocal is getting lost in the track, assuming you don't have it insanely low, its probably because theres an instrument playing loudly thats taking up that same frequency range. You may need to turn it down or filter it a little bit.
To me, the focus is always supposed to be on the rapper/vocalist unless i'm making instrumental music. The beat is supposed to support them. If there is ever a time where the beat seems to be fighting the vocalist for the listener's attention, I always side with the vocals and will tame the beat.
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Jsteam
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Emmapeel9 said:
aslriight thanks, but what if i just have an instrumental in stereo, an instrumental that i bough? and i just need to mix my vox in.
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
can you give me an example of how i can widen the stereo range?
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deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup
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^^^Pan your vocals
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ZIGGYS MUSIC PLACE
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yea pan your beat. let things roam free and even enjoy movement, this is where it comes alive. having things sweep across the stereo field and interacting with each other. think of panning as a way to bring live positioning to a piece of work. U can have the drums panned accordingly so they image a live kit being in front of the listener, u can pan low and high octaves of a keyboard to create a horizontal appearance.... The possibilities are endless with panning.
- U can even send stuff outside the stereo image with phase techniques, creating a "made u look" affect...
but yea have fun with it.
- U can even send stuff outside the stereo image with phase techniques, creating a "made u look" affect...
but yea have fun with it.
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dvyce
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ZIGGYS MUSIC PLACE said:
It would be helpful if you read the whole thread before you post (not just the title)
deRaNged 4 Phuk'dup said:
...Yes!
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Emmapeel9
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I think if it is just a finished file that you have got then there are two main places for a lead vocal to go. Either in the centre or in stereo coming from either speaker. you can alternate for different parts of the song in order to have a happy vocal all the way through.
I assume that people who make the beats have already considered the fact that vocals are supposed to go over it so it should be easy to fit the vocals in to the song so that they are comfortable.
As others have said, it should not be neccessary to have to pan the beat to get things to fit right.
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I assume that people who make the beats have already considered the fact that vocals are supposed to go over it so it should be easy to fit the vocals in to the song so that they are comfortable.
As others have said, it should not be neccessary to have to pan the beat to get things to fit right.
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dvyce
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Emmapeel9 said:
That is a bad assumption for a couple of reasons...
1. He is probably buying a "beat" from someone who is not exactly a "pro" and does not have "pro" level skills to even "consider" anything
2. You can't "leave space" for a vocal that does not exist yet. To fit a vocal (or ANY) instrument in a mix you have to have the levels and eq of all the other instruments as well as the vocal be adjusted in relation to eachother. It is like if we were going to lunch and I said "bring a sandwich in a bag and leave room for the soda I am bringing", and you bring a little bag that would fin a can of soda but I brought a 2 litre bottle... You thought you left room, but you didn't know what you had to leave room for-- so it does not fit.
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Emmapeel9
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1/ OK, I'm just learning about beats and this whole idea. Maybe it is then the onus on the buyer to judge whether the beat will sound good with their vocal on it.
2/ I agree that you can't be too specific about this. I would think that it would be good practice when making beats to consider that another element is still to go in though. I made the example in another post of having a beat with a saxophone blairing in the centre. The saxophone might fill things up too much both frequencywise and musicwise making it hard to sit the vocal.
Off course all of the above refers only to when you get a beat as a finished file as in the op's case. If you get all the tracks used in the beat then their won't be a problem with flexibility. (Thanks to Astar for the info about beats in my other post.)
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2/ I agree that you can't be too specific about this. I would think that it would be good practice when making beats to consider that another element is still to go in though. I made the example in another post of having a beat with a saxophone blairing in the centre. The saxophone might fill things up too much both frequencywise and musicwise making it hard to sit the vocal.
Off course all of the above refers only to when you get a beat as a finished file as in the op's case. If you get all the tracks used in the beat then their won't be a problem with flexibility. (Thanks to Astar for the info about beats in my other post.)
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