Who made it the standard to rap 16 bars?

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just wondering who came up with that - who made it the accepted value?

anything is helpful - just wondering...

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I definitely could be wrong about this but wasnt it the standard format for mainstream music anyway?


Like I think it was the typical structure for the industry in other genres so commercial rap just adopted it............

dats my guess
 
hmm u might b on 2 something - i totally forgot about other genres - which others share the 16 bar structure?
 
The question is...

...who made acceptable in popular music first. Who was the first to come up with the format of 16 bars,chorus, 16 bars ect.

If you listen to early classical music, they never had a standard format. The music would just keep on evolving until the end. There were very few repeated bars.

So I don't know who started it.
 
It definitely all came from blues, but that is 12 bars (although 16 bar blues does exist and was first used in the 1920s-1930s). Maybe rock'n'roll adapted the 16 bars first after repeating a 4 bar blues groove 4 times... just an educated guess. I tried searching on google, but nothing really stood out. Interesting topic!
 
came from rock and roll and songs that are played in ABA form

you can kinda consider the A(verses) B(hook) A(Verse) which was adapted from the 12 bar blues

which in turn, was used in popular music
 
I love when songs disregard the "standard" structure. And for some songs hearing 3, 16 bar verses it's overkill, and predictable.

I think Hip-hop lacks ingenuity when it comes to song structure, and i when i get a chance to produce full song, i would like to switch it up.

A good example of a song that switches the "standard" structure, even if so minimally, and it really takes the track to another level it's Brown Paper Bag.

The rappers spit a couple bars and then get "interrupted" by the hook of the song... then the rapper gets back to doing his thing. It's raw imo.
 
So you are saying people rapping sixteen bars came from Rock & Roll, that played in ternary form?

Close, but no cigar.

Actually this has nothing to do with ternary form at all. This originated from Blues.

There are three types of known typical blues chord progression:

Eight bar blues form
Twelve bar blues form
Sixteen bar blues form

These forms explains the amount of bars it would typically take for the chord progression to the verse. These "rules" have you, stamped that width of time. There are also other variants such as the 32 bar blues form, which is usually used for Bridges.

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Roni Size's Brown Paper Bag? That's the last reference I'd expect to hear from someone on here. Song is classic.
 
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Broken Friday said:
So you are saying people rapping sixteen bars came from Rock & Roll, that played in ternary form?

Close, but no cigar.

Actually this has nothing to do with ternary form at all. This originated from Blues.

There are three types of known typical blues chord progression:

Eight bar blues form
Twelve bar blues form
Sixteen bar blues form

These forms explains the amount of bars it would typically take for the chord progression to the verse. These "rules" have you, stamped that width of time. There are also other variants such as the 32 bar blues form, which is usually used for Bridges.

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^^^ Yeaaaah. I remember learnin' that in my AA Music course back in college.

Man I like this thread =) nice stuff ppl.
 
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It seems like a lot of songs are switchin to 12 bar verses these days...

DFB "Oh I Think Dey Like Me"
Boyz N Da Hood "Dem Boyz"
Shawty Lo "Dey Know"
Plies "Got Em Hatin"

Bow Wow "Shortie Like Mine" and Gorilla Zoe "Hood Niggr" actually had 8 bar verses...
 
It comes from simple musical math. don't concentrate on the bars of the vocals. Look at the bars of the song when chorus and drops occour. The rappers are just gettin with the progam. Beats don't ride rappers. Rappers ride beats.
 
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