Fantom/Motif Refills or Vst's???

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Im looking for some quality refills or vst plugins of the Fantom, MOtif etc....

Ive seen some for sale on ebay but didnt know if they were legit or good quality of the actual presets of the keyboards

if anyone has used these before and could recommend which ones to buy and where to find please reply... thanks

Mathyou
 
Im looking for some quality refills or vst plugins of the Fantom, MOtif etc....

Ive seen some for sale on ebay but didnt know if they were legit or good quality of the actual presets of the keyboards

if anyone has used these before and could recommend which ones to buy and where to find please reply... thanks

Mathyou

I recommend the Fantom x refill by Neosounds.

They loop all of their instruments (most refill aren't looped), which is good for long pad sounds.

The Neosounds refill is probably the best refill you can get to emulate a Fantom.

For the Motif refill, I recommend TruNotes. Their samples aren't looped (about 10 seconds long), however the samples are recorded very well and the refills are inexpensive.
 
The only positive quality of those Fantom and Motif sample libraries is that their usually cheap. But the idea of multisampling a workstation seems a bit backwards to me especially when the end result is 7gb of samples for sounds that were created from <500mb of wav data and some effects.
 
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The only positive quality of those Fantom and Motif sample libraries is that their usually cheap. But the idea of multisampling a workstation seems a bit backwards to me especially when the end result is 7gb of samples for sounds that were created from <500mb of wav data and some effects.

The refills have gems in them. Not everything will sound good (that would be the same if you went out and bought the real keyboard).

IMO I don't like the piano sounds in none of those refills. If you want piano sounds, something like Reason Pianos would do you much better.

What I do like is the Drum Kits, String Ensembles, Brass instruments, Guitars, Choirs, the certain things that hardware synths tended to do well on.
 
typhoonsounds did a good job sampling the motif and fantom
they have the sounds available in kontakt format
 
typhoonsounds did a good job sampling the motif and fantom
they have the sounds available in kontakt format

they typhoon sounds are pretty good, the fantom sounds pretty identical to the fantom I used to have.

however, I never used workstation drum sounds, they were always lacking to me.

that said, even though I have the motif and fantom kontakt instruments, I rarely used them. When compared to my other high quality libraries...there were just a few sounds I wanted from the fantom since I sold it.

But that has less to do with the samples and more to do with the workstation sounds in general. I planned on getting a fantom g, after playing with it a bit I realized the sound quality wasn't blowing away anything I could get from 3rd party kontakt libraries....so I chose not to get it.

Be careful on ebay, some of those may end up being single note wave samples from the library. I can vouch for typhoon sounds, they have pretty good quality.
 
maaaan, if yamaha actually made a VST, that shyt would be SIK as FuK MaN!! They could charge like 500..
 
yeah man, i'm just not understanding what's taking them so long, yamaha, korg, roland, they all need to make a real vst workstation...it doesn't have to have every sound from the hardware, just a portion, with the same synthesis/modulation engine routing.

would be dope.

waldorf made a vst that sounds like their blofeld/micro q and uses the same synth engine, sounds dope. Bet it doesn't hurt their hardware sales either.
 
Why does everyone act as if the presets in the Motifs and Fantoms are the Holy Grail of sounds? I've never used either and I'm sure that they have some nice presets, but aren't there software alternatives that are just as good if not better that anything a Motif or Fantom has to offer sound-wise.
 
Why does everyone act as if the presets in the Motifs and Fantoms are the Holy Grail of sounds? I've never used either and I'm sure that they have some nice presets, but aren't there software alternatives that are just as good if not better that anything a Motif or Fantom has to offer sound-wise.

I think it's more of a "I have the motif/triton/fantom sounds" than anything. After switching to software, then going back and considering another workstation...I couldn't justify it.

I have sounds the literally demolish any of these workstations...the real draw of them is the workflow, the ease of use, not having to wait for sounds to load, etc.

to quote myself... lol

"...even though I have the motif and fantom kontakt instruments, I rarely used them. When compared to my other high quality libraries...there were just a few sounds I wanted from the fantom since I sold it.

But that has less to do with the samples and more to do with the workstation sounds in general. I planned on getting a fantom g, after playing with it a bit I realized the sound quality wasn't blowing away anything I could get from 3rd party kontakt libraries....so I chose not to get it."

It's just what people know, they think it's the top of the line but these sample companies are blowing the doors off the hinges with their libraries, and you get to pick and choose, instead of having tons of presets you'll never use.

I've always felt workstations were good at many sounds, and great at a few. But with software and samplers like kontakt, exs, etc...you can pick specific instrument libraries so you have the best in each category.

The bass in a motif or fantom can't touch Trilian or sub boom, the strings in those boards can't touch philharmonik, east west, kirk hunter, etc....
 
maaaan, if yamaha actually made a VST, that shyt would be SIK as FuK MaN!! They could charge like 500..

Well, if anyone is looking for Motif sounds, they are ALL in Cubase's Halion One plugin (Yamaha is the parent company of Steinberg, the maker of Cubase). I know this because I used to own a Motif. When I upgraded to Cubase 5, I sware, I no longer needed the Motif, so I sold it. Everything "Motif" is inside the Halion One plugin included in Cubase - from sounds & patches to drum kits (exactly as they appear and are mapped in the Motif), etc....!!!
 
I think it's more of a "I have the motif/triton/fantom sounds" than anything. After switching to software, then going back and considering another workstation...I couldn't justify it.

I have sounds the literally demolish any of these workstations...the real draw of them is the workflow, the ease of use, not having to wait for sounds to load, etc.

to quote myself... lol

"...even though I have the motif and fantom kontakt instruments, I rarely used them. When compared to my other high quality libraries...there were just a few sounds I wanted from the fantom since I sold it.

But that has less to do with the samples and more to do with the workstation sounds in general. I planned on getting a fantom g, after playing with it a bit I realized the sound quality wasn't blowing away anything I could get from 3rd party kontakt libraries....so I chose not to get it."

It's just what people know, they think it's the top of the line but these sample companies are blowing the doors off the hinges with their libraries, and you get to pick and choose, instead of having tons of presets you'll never use.

I've always felt workstations were good at many sounds, and great at a few. But with software and samplers like kontakt, exs, etc...you can pick specific instrument libraries so you have the best in each category.

The bass in a motif or fantom can't touch Trilian or sub boom, the strings in those boards can't touch philharmonik, east west, kirk hunter, etc....

I feel the same way! Some people think because they're paying $3,000 for the a Motif or a Fantom that they're gonna have the hottest & best sounds in the world. Some of the BEST sounds are coming VST now-a-day's; Trillian, Omnisphere, all Native Instruments stuff.....etc, and with editing capabilities no hardware keyboard can do.
 
I think it's more of a "I have the motif/triton/fantom sounds" than anything. After switching to software, then going back and considering another workstation...I couldn't justify it.

I have sounds the literally demolish any of these workstations...the real draw of them is the workflow, the ease of use, not having to wait for sounds to load, etc.

to quote myself... lol

"...even though I have the motif and fantom kontakt instruments, I rarely used them. When compared to my other high quality libraries...there were just a few sounds I wanted from the fantom since I sold it.

But that has less to do with the samples and more to do with the workstation sounds in general. I planned on getting a fantom g, after playing with it a bit I realized the sound quality wasn't blowing away anything I could get from 3rd party kontakt libraries....so I chose not to get it."

It's just what people know, they think it's the top of the line but these sample companies are blowing the doors off the hinges with their libraries, and you get to pick and choose, instead of having tons of presets you'll never use.

I've always felt workstations were good at many sounds, and great at a few. But with software and samplers like kontakt, exs, etc...you can pick specific instrument libraries so you have the best in each category.

The bass in a motif or fantom can't touch Trilian or sub boom, the strings in those boards can't touch philharmonik, east west, kirk hunter, etc....

SaintJoe, I totally agree. That's why i have been toying with the idea of buying a Motif rack. I love the sound but I am wondering if it is because it is what I know and am familiar and comfortable with.

What software would you recommend that you say blows the workstations away? I am looking for good pianos, strings, brass, etc. I liked the Motif sounds because they seemed more organic. Software instruments that I have tried just seemed thin and did not seem to have the same body to them.

Well, if anyone is looking for Motif sounds, they are ALL in Cubase's Halion One plugin (Yamaha is the parent company of Steinberg, the maker of Cubase). I know this because I used to own a Motif. When I upgraded to Cubase 5, I sware, I no longer needed the Motif, so I sold it. Everything "Motif" is inside the Halion One plugin included in Cubase - from sounds & patches to drum kits (exactly as they appear and are mapped in the Motif), etc....!!!

I looked for this but can't seem to find it. Is it sold separately or only with Cubase?
 
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I think people praise what they can't attain. If you have access to vstis and refills, the last thing that should impress you about a Motif or Fantom is the sound bank.

FYI the same sound developers work for all these companies, that's why songs are made on Motifs that are remade with identical sounds in stuff like sampletank, FL, Reason, ect. on Youtube vids.

Sounds are secondary to what you can manipulate them to do.
 
I think people praise what they can't attain. If you have access to vstis and refills, the last thing that should impress you about a Motif or Fantom is the sound bank.

definitely agree man, I think it's all psychological. I've had the hardware, the one thing I love about it is the ease with which you can get through sounds and lay stuff down, the "no load time" is why many people have them in studios and on stage.

But when it comes to quality, for the prices of a motif or fantom, I can pick specific vst instruments that are dedicated to a specific sound and come out much better than an "all around" module.


SaintJoe, I totally agree. That's why i have been toying with the idea of buying a Motif rack. I love the sound but I am wondering if it is because it is what I know and am familiar and comfortable with.

What software would you recommend that you say blows the workstations away? I am looking for good pianos, strings, brass, etc. I liked the Motif sounds because they seemed more organic. Software instruments that I have tried just seemed thin and did not seem to have the same body to them.

there is a speed at which you can work with stuff like the motif/fantom/triton that we still try to achieve with software. But the software has bigger libraries so most have a little bit of load time, it's not much, but it's not instant.

There is no "one instrument" there are plenty I think demolish the fantoms and motifs. Many like Nexus, it has a "covered in fx" sound that is similar to workstations.

Vir2 VI One is another good one, as is SampleTank despite what some say.

But personally, I don't think you need an "all around" module, because there are sound specific instruments that let you build you library customized to what you want.

For instance, for the price of a new motif rack, I could get trillian for bass, true pianos or pianoteq (whatever piano instrument you like) for keys, something like Omnisphere, Massive, Firebird, Synth Squad, etc to cover synths, and still spend about the same or less.

I could throw in something like Kore 2 to give me a large selection of "workstation" type sounds, plus keep expanding with their soundpacks.
And get something like East West Symphonic Orchestra silver for strings/orchestra stuff.

Heck you could get komplete 6 for 500 bucks and be covered for sounds for a while...literally. Plus with Kontakt (my favorite) you have an endless level of libraries that work with it, so you can pick and choose your favorites

the motif rack xs is 1299 brand new...there is a lot of high quality instruments one can purchase for that.

It took me a long time to switch over to software, but I now feel the quality and selection is good enough that I'm not missing anything.

However, if you need something that you can just turn on and go, or maybe your taking it out to gigs, then the workstations are still a great option.

It all comes down to preference really and what you want to use. What I do like about the motif series is mLan allows you to send 16 channels of midi/audio over firewire and use it inside your daw :)
 
vst versions of keyboards

You can get the Korg Legacy collection, if you want the Korg sounds. Personally I hated it, Luxonix Purity, Nexus, and Hypersonic make it look like crap...the sounds are high quality, but try finding something conveiniantly, its out of the question, everythings thrown in banks sloppily and I wouldnt really recommend it. but it DOES have Korg sounds and IS the software equivelant of the hardware, if thats wat you're looking for
 
Why does everyone act as if the presets in the Motifs and Fantoms are the Holy Grail of sounds? I've never used either and I'm sure that they have some nice presets, but aren't there software alternatives that are just as good if not better that anything a Motif or Fantom has to offer sound-wise.

People want these sounds for a lot of reasons.

Certain boards have certain presets that have not really been put out in software.

A workstation library will get you these.


Certain patches like the Ensoniq TS-12 "Genesis Patch", JV-1080 "Flying Waltz", haven't been created in software. Yes there are similar patches somewhere (or they can be created), but if you want the exact thing, a hardware sample library can get you there (depending on how well the library was sampled).
 
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