Bishop The Mogul
Bishop The Mogul
I love Waves, Ozone and T-racks 3. but all 3 for different stuff.
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ObiK
IK Multimedia
Yup, everyone has their choices. Best thing to do is try out the demos and let your own ears decide.
C
CPhoenix
CharlesAllen/ BMR Studios
Sounds like a very bold, outdated statement in my opinion.
You're saying software plugins are great for mixing but not for mastering? Pardon my ignorance, but that doesn't make any sense to me... whatsoever. Quality isn't even a serious issue anymore when it comes to software vs. hardware, especially considering most hardware is now digital. Some software is modeled after analog gear to get a certain "sound" or characteristic that the user is looking for, of which the analog gear achieved... not necessarily b/c analog is better.
ObiK
IK Multimedia
I stopped taking him seriously when he stated he used Miroslav Philharmonik for mixing. Everyone picks their tools and is usually passionate about them as well. Kind of like Mac Vs Pc or Chevy Vs Ford. Just try it, I bet you'll like how they sound. The T-Racks demo is free so you have nothing to lose.
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jackbraglia
New member
Your ignorance is pardoned
No one ever said they are GREAT for mixing. But ITB mixes can sound just fine so long as the person mixing it knows their shit. (And I'm not bashing digital gear. I use a TC finalizer pretty often.) Also, not all analog gear trumps plug-ins. Of course a good plug-in will still sound wayyyy better than some cheap analog gear. But it should be fairy obvious that the analog gear will sound better than the plug-ins thats being modeled off it
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whats wrong with philharmonik? it sounds great when things are layered properly. I mean, you work for iK, if you see a problem, why haven't you made sure its fixed yet???
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on another note: anytime I say that analog is better than digital in this forum (and this forum ALONE) I get a shit ton of flak for it. Maybe its because most people here are bedroom warriors or rapper/producer wannabe's and have never even touched any high-end gear (let alone heard what it sounds like in an A/B comparison). So what's the deal? You guys trying to justify the fact that you can't afford the stuff? Because saying plug-ins are as good as the analog gear its modeled after...is simply absurd. The UAD stuff (which require DSP chips to run) are the only plug-ins that come close. Also the audiocube is phenomenal sounding. Look that up if you don't know what it is. Its worth every penny.
moses
hardliner
Your ignorance is pardoned
on another note: anytime I say that analog is better than digital in this forum (and this forum ALONE) I get a shit ton of flak for it. Maybe its because most people here are bedroom warriors or rapper/producer wannabe's and have never even touched any high-end gear (let alone heard what it sounds like in an A/B comparison). So what's the deal?
You're wrong. It's all about your arrogant/ignorant/generalizing attitude. Beside your great love for the young passionate people who just started to learn their craft, you must understand that several people who actually do this since a while in depth don't support your opinion, too. We had these discussions a decade years ago - they are pointless. There's no better or worse when comparing apples and peaches, I think everyone with common sense will agree.
I think nobody in this forum ever said that "analog modeled gear" (whatever this marketing term means) sounded "better" than the actual analogue unit it tries to emulate. Such a claim would be ridiculous.
So, I'm not really sure what you are talking about.
We're all experienced enough to know that the digital domain offers possibilities that are totally unknown in the analogue field. Let me mention a few examples:
- Lossless amplification/attentuation. Show me one analogue amplifier that can change the level of incoming audio without adding a -70dB noise imprint, nonlinear distortion, slew-rate limiting and other unwanted things.
- Low distortion limiting (impossible without loss free "look-ahread").
- Perfectly accurate stereo processing. Zero cross-talk. Impossible in the analogue domain. Show me one analogue EQ that doesn't mess with the stereo image.
- Linear phase EQs/crossovers.
- Accurate spectral processing.
- Endless copies of the same processor at no costs.
- Sample accurate automation.
- Perfect total recall.
Again, these are just a few examples. And the reason why people don't really feel confident when a stranger tell them that "analogue is better than digital". Even the most clueless "bedroom warrior" doesn't feel right with your generalizations.
The digital world is more than all these (definitely questionable) emulations of 30year+ old concepts from another world. Look around and you'll find amazing digital tools for all kinds of tasks. Algorithmix, Flux, Fabfilter, Waves. Let's go further an mention melodyne and all the fantastic modern digital synths and samplers.
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Xabiton
Cupcake God
there is nothing wrong with it besides the fact that you claim to mix with a damn orchestra string workstation. You talk big but seriously i have been doing this music shit for $10 years and have never seen a serious engineer of any sort offer services for $20. Yet you talk this big bad business. I am not an engineer nor have I claimed to be but I know enough about engineering to know that you are full of it. People use what they use because they choose to use it and its usually because its what they like using. Just because someone chooses to work totally ITB does not mean they cannot afford the hardware it might mean they like the flexibility of being able to create a great sounding product for a lot less money and be able to easily recall their work and do non destructive edits for example.
mwandishi
New member
Dude said he uses Philharmonic for mixing!! Classic. 
fataltone
Holy Lamb Media & Ent.
Dude said he uses Philharmonic for mixing!! Classic.
I like to see a example of this jackbraglia might be a secret weapon that gives a certain flavor
but I never heard of it before but audio engineers break the rules all the time
I want to give the benefit of the doubt to jackbraglia
but I like to hear some a/b
audio files
jack please post a some snipplets
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Derrick Foreal
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i have all 3 waves art ,ozone 5 adv. and t racks 3 - there all good for diff tthings but handsdown wave arts power suite 5 is wayyyyy easier on your cpu
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p.s if you cant mix u cant mix PERIOD
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p.s if you cant mix u cant mix PERIOD
ObiK
IK Multimedia
Its more that Miroslav Philharmonik can not process audio, it is a workstation, but no audio can pass through it like you would need it to to mix. It is a great sound module workstation and can give you great Orchestra sounds. Choirs, brass, violins and percussion/drums amongst other things, but to use it as an effect to mix isn't possible.
fataltone
Holy Lamb Media & Ent.
oh okay maybe he miss spoke(miss-posted) lol
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jackbraglia
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Dude said he uses Philharmonic for mixing!! Classic.
"FOR" mixing??? wtf are you guys talking about? can you read?? how could I use an orchestral synth plug-in to mix? that just doesn't make any sense. So I'm not sure how you guy's interpreted my statement like that...
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yes, this is all accurate. But has NOTHING to do with the point I'm trying to make here. We're talking about analog compression and EQ versus digital. The bottom line is ANALOG SOUNDS BETTER....every ****ing time. I just don't think you guys have ever really compared....
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@fataltone:
sorry man, i was not referring to using miroslav for processing audio in anyway. I was making a point that I'm not hating on iK products in general, because I feel that miroslav is a really great synth for the price point. But t-racks on the other hand is a joke. but anyway, I'm not sure why people think I meant I was *mixing* with miroslav. I meant that I have used it many times WHILE mixing, not FOR mixing. Thinking the latter would be pretty silly...
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gmartina
New member
, yes, wtf?!---------- Post added at 09:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:41 AM ----------
My basic plugins are uad 2, but I could not do anything without the Waves. Have such good plugins such as: unavoidable C4, Aural Exciter, R Comp....and all plugins for restauration....I recommend...
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jackbraglia
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My basic plugins are uad 2, but I could not do anything without the Waves. Have such good plugins such as: unavoidable C4, Aural Exciter, R Comp....and all plugins for restauration....I recommend...
The uad stuff is incredible. nothing but audiocube beats it IMO. C4 is really great too. but i always found their exciter to be very harsh sounding. You should check out the exciter that's included in the Sony Oxford Limiter. It's much smoother and you can crank it quite hard without things getting too nasty
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Rusak
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I like all of these softwares, and use all of them from time to time (Waves, T-Racks, Ozone)... Nomad Factory and PSP haven't been mentioned? What about BBE? as far as harmonic exciters go none of these other plugins even touch these IMHO.
Oh yeah... and obviously analogue is better
, it processes waves, not staircases. Can't even figure this argument. Though newer DSP software is getting better and better at emulation, it will always be emulation.
Oh yeah... and obviously analogue is better
, it processes waves, not staircases. Can't even figure this argument. Though newer DSP software is getting better and better at emulation, it will always be emulation.
laurend
Active member
Waves > I don't like their limiters which is a No Go for mastering
T-Rack > I only like the 670 emulation which has nothing to do with the real one, but it sounds good.
Ozone 5 has a much better limiter section (maximizer) than the two mentioned above.
T-Rack > I only like the 670 emulation which has nothing to do with the real one, but it sounds good.
Ozone 5 has a much better limiter section (maximizer) than the two mentioned above.