Dawn Robinson (of EnVogue) left cause they were making $0.02 per album & more

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....plus Lil Mo says she never made a DIME to this day from any of the features she did with JaRule/Murder Inc. Hate to hear these kind of stories. Both interviews are very good throughout, but if you want to skip straight to point about the money, the Dawn Robinson video mark is at 0:58 and Lil Mo's is @ 7:03.
 
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Wait.

People actually get ripped off in the music industry?

Shocking.

j/k

$.02 tho - ridiculous.
 
Wait.

People actually get ripped off in the music industry?

Shocking.

j/k

$.02 tho - ridiculous.

TLC for the Waterfall album was about the same

show money is where acts made their money and once that buzz was gone for touring that money stops flowing in but artists don't want to stop spending that cash like it grows on trees and end up with mad debt and in alot of cases debt to the U.S. Govt.



-Coach Antonio
 
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Wait.

People actually get ripped off in the music industry?

Shocking.

j/k

$.02 tho - ridiculous.
Yeah man. 2 damn cent a record is a shame and someone's prolly going to hell for that. LOL. Kidding. Sorta. Anyways, I can't understand for the life of me WHY a company would even want to screw someone THAT bad. I honestly don't even know how you could live with yourself getting over on someone like that. If I owned a record company and I made let's say $10 million profit off a project, now way I agree to something with my artist who made that album that only insures them 100,000 to my 10 mil. And during En Vogue's time albums were more like $15. 2 cent of that is less that %1 per album sold. There's no need for such greed and fockery.

 
Y'all buggin. There were 4 members of En Vogue, if I remember correctly they didn't write or produce. That's 8 points(when they quote cents per sale assuming they're using the standard $9.99/$10 average)for nothing but the performing artist. That's not bad at all. Rappers get that for writing and performing. Plenty of people only get like 6 cent per album. Once you're established, you go back and renegotiate that. Think of how many hands go into that album beyond the performers who need to get paid. The BIG NAME writers and producers, advertising/promo, living/studio expenses, ect. And since the label funds all that, who do you think get's the biggest cut?

The plan is for that album to go platinum a few times. Not to mention I'm sure they got advances and plenty of performance money being that they were headliners for almost a decade and seat fillers for a decade on top of that. Don't fall for the "woe is me" stories after the money is gone(actually doubt it's even gone, but trying to make more). They've easily all seen a couple million from their endeavors to the least. How they spent them is another story(referring to En Vogue, lil Mo is another story, not quite the same run and sales).

Welcome to the industry you wanna be a part of so bad, lol.
 
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Y'all buggin. There were 4 members of En Vogue, if I remember correctly they didn't write or produce. That's 8 points(when they quote cents per sale assuming they're using the standard $9.99/$10 average)for nothing but the performing artist. That's not bad at all. Rappers get that for writing and performing. Plenty of people only get like 6 cent per album. Once you're established, you go back and renegotiate that. Think of how many hands go into that album beyond the performers who need to get paid. The BIG NAME writers and producers, advertising/promo, living/studio expenses, ect. And since the label funds all that, who do you think get's the biggest cut?

The plan is for that album to go platinum a few times. Not to mention I'm sure they got advances and plenty of performance money being that they were headliners for almost a decade and seat fillers for a decade on top of that. Don't fall for the "woe is me" stories after the money is gone(actually doubt it's even gone, but trying to make more). They've easily all seen a couple million from their endeavors to the least. How they spent them is another story(referring to En Vogue, lil Mo is another story, not quite the same run and sales).

Welcome to the industry you wanna be a part of so bad, lol.
Man. Making that amount off something that you have that much of a hand in is a damn shame. I'm not green to the fact the company (for the most part) makes all this financially possible by paying for the producers, writers, studio time, promo, etc. but I don't give a fizzuk. That's a ridiculous percentage to give one of the most important pieces of the puzzle.
 
Remember the motto:

You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.

 
Man. Making that amount off something that you have that much of a hand in is a damn shame. I'm not green to the fact the company (for the most part) makes all this financially possible by paying for the producers, writers, studio time, promo, etc. but I don't give a fizzuk. That's a ridiculous percentage to give one of the most important pieces of the puzzle.

IMO this is not really a problem like it used to be.
With the indie market wide open now you now have more power (compared to back then) to control where your money goes.
Nowadays If you're good enough to pull in a decent crowd you should make a killing (if you know what your doing) "putting yourself on" without the aid of that major label industry "machine". Additionally, if you are making enough noise that industry cats are checking for you, you'll have leverage to command a better rate or you can just stick to the indie route. Thank you internet.
 
Y'all buggin. There were 4 members of En Vogue, if I remember correctly they didn't write or produce. That's 8 points(when they quote cents per sale assuming they're using the standard $9.99/$10 average)for nothing but the performing artist. That's not bad at all. Rappers get that for writing and performing. Plenty of people only get like 6 cent per album. Once you're established, you go back and renegotiate that. Think of how many hands go into that album beyond the performers who need to get paid. The BIG NAME writers and producers, advertising/promo, living/studio expenses, ect. And since the label funds all that, who do you think get's the biggest cut?

The plan is for that album to go platinum a few times. Not to mention I'm sure they got advances and plenty of performance money being that they were headliners for almost a decade and seat fillers for a decade on top of that. Don't fall for the "woe is me" stories after the money is gone(actually doubt it's even gone, but trying to make more). They've easily all seen a couple million from their endeavors to the least. How they spent them is another story(referring to En Vogue, lil Mo is another story, not quite the same run and sales).

Welcome to the industry you wanna be a part of so bad, lol.

This right here.
 
Man. Making that amount off something that you have that much of a hand in is a damn shame. I'm not green to the fact the company (for the most part) makes all this financially possible by paying for the producers, writers, studio time, promo, etc. but I don't give a fizzuk. That's a ridiculous percentage to give one of the most important pieces of the puzzle.

Like he said though. Take out the producers, writers, pay for studio time. Promotional ads, music videos, pay for radio. What more did they do than just sing. All these other parts are just as important.
 
Like he said though. Take out the producers, writers, pay for studio time. Promotional ads, music videos, pay for radio. What more did they do than just sing. All these other parts are just as important.
I agree all those things are just as important (as I stated in this thread already) but the artist is the face of the product and also many times no one can perform the song at the level of the performing artist. Either way, I'm not saying the artist deserves 50% or anything, but 1% per unit sold is flat out wrong to me.
 
I agree all those things are just as important (as I stated in this thread already) but the artist is the face of the product and also many times no one can perform the song at the level of the performing artist. Either way, I'm not saying the artist deserves 50% or anything, but 1% per unit sold is flat out wrong to me.

The artist is merely the face. The artist is interchangeable the artist isn't as valuable when all they bring to the table is a face and a voice. a team may shop a song to an artist finds it doesn't work and shop it to a different artist. It's common in the music industry. Hell Rihanna made her career off of songs that others had turned down.

20 Hit Songs Meant For Other Singers | Billboard

That list kinda shows you the value of a face and a voice. Not much.

You do more you get paid more that simple. Bring song writing to the table, choreography, production, etc you get more of the pie.
 
The artist is merely the face. The artist is interchangeable the artist isn't as valuable when all they bring to the table is a face and a voice. a team may shop a song to an artist finds it doesn't work and shop it to a different artist. It's common in the music industry. Hell Rihanna made her career off of songs that others had turned down.

20 Hit Songs Meant For Other Singers | Billboard

That list kinda shows you the value of a face and a voice. Not much.

You do more you get paid more that simple. Bring song writing to the table, choreography, production, etc you get more of the pie.
I honestly agree with what you're saying. You make great points. But I just cannot agree that because someone is "just the voice on the song and the face on the album cover/videos" that they should get paid so crappy. No matter what you say to me, the performing artist (even if they JUST perform) deserves more than 1 damn percent.
 
The artist is merely the face. The artist is interchangeable the artist isn't as valuable when all they bring to the table is a face and a voice. a team may shop a song to an artist finds it doesn't work and shop it to a different artist. It's common in the music industry. Hell Rihanna made her career off of songs that others had turned down.

20 Hit Songs Meant For Other Singers | Billboard

That list kinda shows you the value of a face and a voice. Not much.

You do more you get paid more that simple. Bring song writing to the table, choreography, production, etc you get more of the pie.

with that link, you actually just proved how important the face/voice is.
a hit with one , coulda been a dud with another.
otherwise, songwriters would just pick any nobodys to make hits with.
 
What you guys are missing is, they weren't "paid poorly". Again, they were given 8% of sales profit for performing. They worked with Foster and McElroy for example, established writers/producers who probably demanded a decent percentage for their work. They have background singers who are either paid out as work for hire or gonna take a percentage. BY THE TIME THE LABEL TAKES CARE OF THINGS LIKE PROMO/AD, ARTIST DEVELOPMENT, RECORDING/STUDIO COST, LIVING EXPENSES FOR ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE ALBUM, SAMPLE CLEARANCE, ECT, THEY WOULD NEVER GET OUT THE RED AND TURN PROFIT THEMSELVES WITHOUT TAKING 50-70% OF SALES.

This is a business, they could've not taken the contract, never been En Vogue, and never seen a dime. Instead they made about $80k each in royalties when an album dropped and made about $10-20k each every night they performed. What B.S. rap video got you thinking En Vogue ain't get paid right? You think Rich Homie and Chief Keef are doing close to that?

Oh, you thought there was MORE money in this shyt? You think the dude who does the hard work doesn't make the MINIMUM WAGE? Business 101. If you don't got the money to BUY a McDonald's, you work at one for a few dollars an hour DOING ALL THE WORK while the owner who probably couldn't make a big mac if his life depended on it sits in an office counting millions. The workers can't buy a value meal with what they make in an hour. You think if you work at the Ford factory(before getting laid off)actually putting the cars together that you can even afford to buy a brand new ford without really evaluating your finances? The guys running that plant are driving Maybachs to meeting to hear about how bad their company is doing and how more workers need to be laid off, lol.

The only reason this frustrates me so much, it's music. All those byches did was sing. All I do is press buttons/keys to clarify I'm saying in music NO ONE DOES ANYTHING LABOR INTENSIVE, you can lie to yourself, but you do not. You don't HAVE to educate yourself in any way to make music, that's why its sad seeing guys up here saying "I wanna drop out school to be the next dumb musician who any businessman can see is a lubed up idiot waiting to be f**ked from a mile away". It's easy to pretend you're "doing something everyone else isn't" but you are...proven by the millions of others doing the same thing!!!! You don't like 8% the next guy will give his lung for 4.5, lol.

These "poor cheated guys" see the world, have access to wardrobe without having to pay, get given the nicest cars to drive and homes to live in while making $80k when an album drops, and 10-20k every time they step on a stage to sing a song they didn't even write or produce. They were not victimized. Makes for a good story though. Because when your time is over, they take back the nice house/car to give to the next guy to drive, but you had all that time to buy your own while making $80k per album drop and 10-20k per show.

You do realize those actors in movies with those huge salaries are getting the same types of cuts, right? That "actor guy" made $2M to star in that movie that did $500M, lol. That B-Ball player who made $3M last year made the Miami heat/NBA $12M off just his merchandising and his team made $800M in profits while the NBA made Billions!!! Same(if not less of a) percentage, just bigger numbers being played with.

If not for the businesses prospering, they would have no use for you whatsoever. Then you just some guy with a Basketball at the park, some chick singing in the shower or church choir, some guy writing a script in a starbucks, lol. You should be thankful for that type of split, you could just be passed by, and unless you got the money to fund yourself, they do indeed hold all the cards.
 
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What you guys are missing is, they weren't "paid poorly". Again, they were given 8% of sales profit for performing. They worked with Foster and McElroy for example, established writers/producers who probably demanded a decent percentage for their work. They have background singers who are either paid out as work for hire or gonna take a percentage. BY THE TIME THE LABEL TAKES CARE OF THINGS LIKE PROMO/AD, ARTIST DEVELOPMENT, RECORDING/STUDIO COST, LIVING EXPENSES FOR ANYONE INVOLVED IN THE ALBUM, SAMPLE CLEARANCE, ECT, THEY WOULD NEVER GET OUT THE RED AND TURN PROFIT THEMSELVES WITHOUT TAKING 50-70% OF SALES.

This is a business, they could've not taken the contract, never been En Vogue, and never seen a dime. Instead they made about $80k each in royalties when an album dropped and made about $10-20k each every night they performed. What B.S. rap video got you thinking En Vogue ain't get paid right? You think Rich Homie and Chief Keef are doing close to that?

Oh, you thought there was MORE money in this shyt? You think the dude who does the hard work doesn't make the MINIMUM WAGE? Business 101. If you don't got the money to BUY a McDonald's, you work at one for a few dollars an hour DOING ALL THE WORK while the owner who probably couldn't make a big mac if his life depended on it sits in an office counting millions. The workers can't buy a value meal with what they make in an hour. You think if you work at the Ford factory(before getting laid off)actually putting the cars together that you can even afford to buy a brand new ford without really evaluating your finances? The guys running that plant are driving Maybachs to meeting to hear about how bad their company is doing and how more workers need to be laid off, lol.

The only reason this frustrates me so much, it's music. All those byches did was sing. All I do is press buttons/keys to clarify I'm saying in music NO ONE DOES ANYTHING LABOR INTENSIVE, you can lie to yourself, but you do not. You don't HAVE to educate yourself in any way to make music, that's why its sad seeing guys up here saying "I wanna drop out school to be the next dumb musician who any businessman can see is a lubed up idiot waiting to be f**ked from a mile away". It's easy to pretend you're "doing something everyone else isn't" but you are...proven by the millions of others doing the same thing!!!! You don't like 8% the next guy will give his lung for 4.5, lol.

These "poor cheated guys" see the world, have access to wardrobe without having to pay, get given the nicest cars to drive and homes to live in while making $80k when an album drops, and 10-20k every time they step on a stage to sing a song they didn't even write or produce. They were not victimized. Makes for a good story though. Because when your time is over, they take back the nice house/car to give to the next guy to drive, but you had all that time to buy your own while making $80k per album drop and 10-20k per show.

You do realize those actors in movies with those huge salaries are getting the same types of cuts, right? That "actor guy" made $2M to star in that movie that did $500M, lol. That B-Ball player who made $3M last year made the Miami heat/NBA $12M off just his merchandising and his team made $800M in profits while the NBA made Billions!!! Same(if not less of a) percentage, just bigger numbers being played with.

If not for the businesses prospering, they would have no use for you whatsoever. Then you just some guy with a Basketball at the park, some chick singing in the shower or church choir, some guy writing a script in a starbucks, lol. You should be thankful for that type of split, you could just be passed by, and unless you got the money to fund yourself, they do indeed hold all the cards.

All that....and the TAX MAN has not cometh yet...surely he a cometh!!!!!

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There's levels to this shit.....like Meek say. Why I love that song.

But today the opposite is happening. Artist are stuck on stupid because they know everything they "need to know" about the mistakes made in the past. So they chest is stuck out acting like they deserve more....and they never get "signed" to anybody. Yet they feel their worth is great from the jump.........but it's levels to this shit. THey haven't even broke themselves in on the underground scene........why I laugh at your dreams....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! **** is you........you ain't next....fuuck out here.

Tech N9ne's worth mean something. It means he can call shots how he want to. AND HE DESERVE THAT SHIT!!!! YEARS in the game and working hard. YEARS..............YEARS........hope yall right now ass dudes understand that shit....YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRS.....you ole get rich in three years face ass. But the next Eminem ass dude may slaughter him talent wise.......and make way less money and even get burned in the process. Get his show money split (HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) and never release an album. AND I LOVE IT!!!! WHy? Because I hate you arrogant ass rappers and your rich expectations. I love seeing you rappers cry about what you deserve........how much of a hustler you are.........how far away from knowing that your style was hot for a certain time so now you stuck like a mug.....because if you change it...you lose the core fans you got....you know....the fans that don't WANT YOU TO CHANGE......yet as you remain the same you sound primitive. Shit be funny as hell.......they try to sound all tough but that inside show more than the act they present. So now they try to run back to the underground......but the mainstream already sucked you dry......and not money wise but image wise. Think people care about you apologizing? They barely know you exist. lol!

And now your only hope is to get ignorant on some Miley Cyrus shit. Don't let the forces keep you from getting your Miley Cyrus on baby!!!!!! It truely is you only hope. Chess not checkers.

Shit bees so got damn funny maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayne!!!!!!
 
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Not shocked by this. In the 90's, you made money by performing. Still probably the biggest revenue stream for a lot of acts today, too.
 
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