Cam'Ron is the real "swagger jacker"

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I got this from AHH, none of the comments or anything else below were written by me. Mods feel free to merge this with the r.i.p. dipset thread if you wish

Yo, he got some real ****en nerve to call anyone else, including Jay, a Swagger Jacker. Especailly Jay when he totally jacks Jay's "Show you how to do this son" song, not only once, but twice.
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Not to mention on his "Hate Me Now" diss to Nas he uses the "LAME" sample from Jay's "The Takeover".
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So I'm gonna try to break down all the times he has jacked people that I could remember:

"You Would to, if you knew, what this game would do to you,
been in this ****, 2 years boo, look at all the bull**** I been thru,
So called beef with you know who"
- from "What Means the World" remix

^^^^^^Jacks B.I.G. from "Notorious Thugs"

How about the original "What Means the World" with the sound of the girl going "Owww"? Blatantly Jacked from a B.I.G. song?
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And that was basically the key to the hook of that song.

"Yo, your career's over like Mike,
any one, Tyson, Jordan, Jackson, Ask Dun"
- From "Hate Me Know" diss at Nas

^^^^ Jacking B.I.G. from "Victory"

Then he goes and uses that exact same line again:

"Now, ni**as career over like mike,
any one, Tyson, Jordan, Jackson, it's over"
- From "I Love You"

Once Again, Jacking the B.I.G. from "Victory". Talk about jacking, he jacked the same **** twice.
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"You wack, You twisted, your girls a ho,
You broke, the kid ain't yours, and everybody know,
Ya mans even tell you, you be like 'So',
I love my baby mother, I never let her go"
- From "Hate Me Now" diss to Nas

^^^^ There he is jacking DMX word for word

How about "Leave Me Alone(let me live my life)" from his "Come home with me" album. The entire song is a rip off of 2pac song.

"I be like Move *****, Get out the way,
Cause I move bricks, get out the yay"
- from "Leave Me Alone p.t.2"

^^^^^^Jacking Ludacris's "Move *****"

"There's a war going on outside, no one is a safe from,
It don't matter if you 3 feet or 8'1"
- from "Welcome to New York City"

^^^^^ Jacking Prodigy from "Survival of the fittest"

How about jacking the beat for his "Come Home With Me" song from Ghostface's "Bulletproof Wallets" album? **** is the exact same beat.
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And now we come to the biggest one. The one that baffles me. His crew, his team, his entire movements anthem "Dipset Anthem" is the biggest jacking song of all times:

"Today's a New Day, got the boola, up in the suitcase,
Go up town to Harlem, tell em that I sent ya"
- Juelz from "Dipset Anthem"

^^^^^^^ Jacking B.I.G.

"I see death around the corner, gotta stay high, will I survive?
in the city where the skinny ni**as die?"
- Juelz from "Dipset Anthem"

^^^^^^ Jacking 2pac

"I stood alone, watching the wall in a zone,
hand on my handles, listening to gangsta music"
- Chorus to "Dipset Anthem"

^^^^^ Jacking The Geto Boys "Mind Playing Tricks"

And it doesn't matter that Juelz is saying it, since as I said, this is the DIPSET Anthem. This is the song that represents them as a crew. And the whole **** is a Jack move.
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And I am sure there are many more examples of him doing this ****.



So you tell me, does Cam have any leg to stand on in the "Swagger Jacker" argument? Or did he just prove he is a hypocrite?
 
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Would be entertaining if Cam'ron himself would reply to that, I really wanna know what he has to say...
 
[DipsetGroupie]When CamRon does it, hes paying homage, when Jay does it, hes jackin ;)[/dipsetgroupie]

But seriously...Jays copied Verse for Verse, and even used some lines as hooks, while with the Dipset examples listed above, it\'s only a few lines for one of the three 16 bar verses.


So, no, Jay is still the swagger jacker.
 
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He was just proving a point to let everyone know the so called "best mc" who never writes anything down (Oh my god big ass deal) has bitten so many times on so called "classic" songs of his . . . He was showing everyone that Jay isn't some god of rap and most creative thinking lyricist . . . Swagger Jacker is kinda old but still know one really heard it so he brought it back to say look "Your so called god mc ain't so special anymore"

That was the point of "Swagger Jacker" cause most people didn't even know where any of the lyrics came from . . .

Dipset used 1 line in each of those songs metioned . . . Jay however took full verses and full lines as hooks more than just a few times . . . That equals Swagger Jacker whether you like him or not.
 
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Yeah, everyone does it, hip-hop was built on biting/flipping, whatever you want to call it.
 
H&R said:
He was just proving a point to let everyone know the so called "best mc" who never writes anything down (Oh my god big ass deal) has bitten so many times on so called "classic" songs of his . . . He was showing everyone that Jay isn't some god of rap and most creative thinking lyricist . . . Swagger Jacker is kinda old but still know one really heard it so he brought it back to say look "Your so called god mc ain't so special anymore"

That was the point of "Swagger Jacker" cause most people didn't even know where any of the lyrics came from . . .
He was calling Jay-Z a biter because of the lines he quotes (or bites depending on your point of view.) So if Jay-Z is a biter, then Cam'Ron is also. He's also a hypocrite.
 
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H&R said:
Dipset used 1 line in each of those songs metioned . . . Jay however took full verses and full lines as hooks more than just a few times . . . That equals Swagger Jacker whether you like him or not.


Read that ^^^^ Full verses and hooks . . .

1 line is nothing . . . Hell even the times Jay used one line it was a great line that was already known and he'd use it for a bar or punchline in a song and it stands out even more like that . . .

Everyone has done it . . . Now Jay has just went passed the envelope and went from lines to complete cverses and hooks . . . I don't look at Jay like a rapper I see him as a business man that was just always out to make a hit for some money hence the taking hot lines and verses to make a hot song . . . "He made it a hot line, I made it a hot song" ???

And just for the record I like them both . . . But Jay bit hard you gotta admit it fan or not
 
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ATG said:
Yeah, everyone does it, hip-hop was built on biting/flipping, whatever you want to call it.


Yea I heare u kid I luv jay and the dips but even I have to realize jay set some kind of record wit this...
 
H&R said:
He was just proving a point to let everyone know the so called "best mc" who never writes anything down (Oh my god big ass deal) has bitten so many times on so called "classic" songs of his . . . He was showing everyone that Jay isn't some god of rap and most creative thinking lyricist . . . Swagger Jacker is kinda old but still know one really heard it so he brought it back to say look "Your so called god mc ain't so special anymore"

That was the point of "Swagger Jacker" cause most people didn't even know where any of the lyrics came from . . .

Dipset used 1 line in each of those songs metioned . . . Jay however took full verses and full lines as hooks more than just a few times . . . That equals Swagger Jacker whether you like him or not.

Right. So, regardless of your little exagguration there.... Can you please tell me and every other FP member, the allowed ratio of written:bitten lines please.
Thanks.
I think you'll find that what equals to about 2 minutes, in total, of lines that Jay-Z has quoted from other rappers, out of approximately 75 minutes multipled by 7-8 albums, is quite small. I also doubt that this thread contains even half of the lines that Cam'Ron and friends have quoted.
Whether you call it paying homage or just plain biting. I think its pretty clear that CamRon is a hypocrite.
 
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Jay Z > Camron

I dont care if they both jack/bite/flip other people's lines, at the end of the day: Jay Z > Camron.

No matter how old, ugly & unstylish Jay Z is, it doesnt change the fact that:
Jay Z > Camron.

It doesnt matter if Beyonce sang a hook on Camron's album (an album that only 2 people heard), Jay Z > Camron.
 
Howard Stern said:
Jay Z > Camron

I dont care if they both jack/bite/flip other people's lines, at the end of the day: Jay Z > Camron.

No matter how old, ugly & unstylish Jay Z is, it doesnt change the fact that:
Jay Z > Camron.

It doesnt matter if Beyonce sang a hook on Camron's album (an album that only 2 people heard), Jay Z > Camron.
No matter how much I like the fact that Camron is getting at him, you pretty much summed it up. Jay-Z>Camron
 
Jay bites....but makes classic album....Cam bites and makes songs that are hot for a minute

Jay>Cam no matter how u look at it....i love cam...no homo...but the fact still remains...Jay would murder him
 
So Foolish said:
I think its pretty clear that CamRon is a hypocrite.
Who isn't ? Everyone is a hypocrite . . . Everyone bites . . . Point is that Jay did it to an extreme that no one else has done . . .

There is plenty more than what Swagger jacker showed those were just known lines . . . I've heard more from Cam too but it was stilla small part or line . . . With Jay it was like "hey I already know this whole part I wonder why" :rolleyes: ?

Theirs no excuse for using full verses and hooks just so you can have a hot song . . .

I'm not gonna give you respect when you just spit almost a whole verse that wasn't yours. . . Screw paying homage thats an excuse, if your gonna pay homage make it known where the line was from don't try to play it off like it yours and then when exposed say oh yea guys I was paying homage you didn't know that ? . . .

This is not a Cam vs Jay thing for me . . . It's a "look everyone he's not so high up on the pedastool that you like to put him on" he can be touched and he can be average at times

Point is Jay has always been super over hype to the point where it was out that no one could touch him . . . Cam wanted to show "Look here you ain't untouchable like you think you are and I ain't playing scared like everyone else, you come at me i'm coming directly at you cause you not some untouchable god mc"

I think Cam proved his point . . . Now Jay needs to respond and show something great and dis-prove Cams point . . . Either way win or lose Cam proved a point
 
H&R said:
He was just proving a point to let everyone know the so called "best mc" who never writes anything down (Oh my god big ass deal) has bitten so many times on so called "classic" songs of his . . . He was showing everyone that Jay isn't some god of rap and most creative thinking lyricist . . . Swagger Jacker is kinda old but still know one really heard it so he brought it back to say look "Your so called god mc ain't so special anymore"

That was the point of "Swagger Jacker" cause most people didn't even know where any of the lyrics came from . . .

Dipset used 1 line in each of those songs metioned . . . Jay however took full verses and full lines as hooks more than just a few times . . . That equals Swagger Jacker whether you like him or not.

not to mention:
since dude made a point of cam jackin pacs ambitions as a rider
jay jacked me and my girlfriend from pac so ummm
yea
 
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