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There are two types of music producers in this world: the idealist, and the modern producer. The idealist believes in music in its most rawest of form. He believes the creation of music, and the business of music, do not or should not go hand and hand. The modern producer is both a musician (debatable) and a business enthusiast. He believes music should be enjoyed by millions, and to do so, follows a set of formulas that are equivalent to that of the current trend (Top 40).
Neither of these ideologies are wrong, but I lean more towards the modern producer. History shows us that the greatest music producers have always been Pop, Top 40s, hit record driven.
Our biggest issue as writers and music producers, has always been the ability to cope with reality; consumers, fans, listeners, etc, are not musicians! They do not care about the bitching chord structure you just created, nor would they recognize it in the first place.
Dr. Luke, Benny Blanco, RedOne, and Max Martin all create music for the mindless, meaning the entire world of music consumers. That is where the success is.
Neither of these ideologies are wrong, but I lean more towards the modern producer. History shows us that the greatest music producers have always been Pop, Top 40s, hit record driven.
Our biggest issue as writers and music producers, has always been the ability to cope with reality; consumers, fans, listeners, etc, are not musicians! They do not care about the bitching chord structure you just created, nor would they recognize it in the first place.
Dr. Luke, Benny Blanco, RedOne, and Max Martin all create music for the mindless, meaning the entire world of music consumers. That is where the success is.
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Xabiton
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I disagree with your definition because A) The top 40 attitude has been around for decades there's nothing really modern about it nor does not having a Top 40 attitude make you not modern. And there are tons of great producers who do not follow that Top 40 model (Pete Rock, Dj Premier, RZA, Madlib, J Dilla, Alchemist, Havoc, Salem Remi, and surely more that I just not have thought up) who have been able to make money from this business. I also do not believe that it is so black and white as far as if you want to make money you have to do Top 40 or you don't want anything to do with the business. There are some who value the art more then the money and don't want to have any part of the business and there are those who love the art and want to create the art but still want to get paid also. You're definition leaves a lot of gray area imo.
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gmanbadmon20
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Dr Luke was a jingle writer in the mid 90's, and a session player. Hes got a great knack for melodies. I dont think its mindless, He just makes catchy music. and to be honest some of his production uses some intermediate music theory hes just very crafty at it. If you listen to "Who Dat girl" by Flo-Rida try and figure out the chord progression without cheating... Its the diatonics you hear but underneath very subtlely there is the actual exotic chords played.
Benny Blanco to me is one of the better synth programmers in the game. perfect example of a guy whos not as musically inclined(musician) as Max Martin<dr Luke,but his creativity is off the charts.
They are a super group and the hidden gem in that team is AMMO.
But honestly We have to give love to dubstep and electro producers. All the Tik Tok synths, and Pulse screamers were heard more by Swedish House mafia,Benny Benassi, and Rank 1. Guys should really listen to these groups because they were doing the 8bit sound 5 years ago before Luke,Blanco, exploded. and Stargate and Rotem have been paying attention to modern Dubstep by Benga,and Labrinth.
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kanye_shrug
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i got hits for days. imma be mentioned as well sooner or later. 
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wow benny blanco is really young. just a lil older than me, good inspiration.
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wow benny blanco is really young. just a lil older than me, good inspiration.
moveForward
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Great Post
Although, it may depend on what you mean by music for the mindless?In regards to the gray areas ^
Here is the thing: A producer may not always know that he's a modern producer or an idealist.
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MUSIKFIEND
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That was dope but neither House or D. Metal, lol.
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Damn i never knew that. Makes perfect sense though. Jingles have be attention grabbers & right to the point & his production is an extension of that. I've kinda wanted to do jingles/slogans for a few years now myself.
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Jackpot ProductionZ
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Great Post
In regards to the gray areas ^
Here is the thing: A producer may not always know that he's a modern producer or an idealist.
True because I know people who are very well educated that enjoy Pop Music...
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Michael Khan
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What makes you think Ammo will excel all the others....? I heard Jesse Mccartney's "Shake" and well... idk. But I'm sure he must be pretty decent to be under the doctor and whatnot..
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BlaZe Dem BeaTz
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the fact of the matter is...
it really doesnt boil down to there formula...
it is all about money...
there could be 20 people on this board who sound exactly like them musically...
but if you haven't solidified a connect and given away majority of your publishing... you'll never see one of these top hit records...
the one thing all of the "current" hitmakers have in common is theyre making someone else a ton of money via there publishing splits...
it really doesnt boil down to there formula...
it is all about money...
there could be 20 people on this board who sound exactly like them musically...
but if you haven't solidified a connect and given away majority of your publishing... you'll never see one of these top hit records...
the one thing all of the "current" hitmakers have in common is theyre making someone else a ton of money via there publishing splits...
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Jackpot ProductionZ
*From The Ground Up*
I know plenty of people making very good money off of their publishing. Contracts are contracts & reading is fundamental before signing...
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gmanbadmon20
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I dont think hes going to trump them at all. If you notice that team they all have a core strength
Dr Luke-Experience,writing,arrangement
Benny-crazy synth programmer. Dr Luke has said in many seminars that Benny is crazy with layering sounds and effects. Has a hip hop and Electronic music base.
They all complement each other well but Ammo used to have youtube videos and he had some pretty nice RnB stuff. He makes catchier melodies than Blanco IMO.
But i think everyone remembers the core part is Dr Luke was cosigned by Max Martin givin him that Katy perry and BRitney spears oppurtunity like Timbo gave Danja major work with nelly furtado and Justin T.
I like team AmBlanclUke lol.
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Michael Khan
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Where are these ammo videos lol
Teen Fury
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My thoughts exactly lol
Swan Dito
In Swan We Trust
^^^^yeah what they said
Aykey
The mother****in truth
Dr Luke studied jazz guitar...he was in the snl band for several years. He wrote jingles before and is in this bizz for more than a decade.
This guy is at the top of his game because he knows his shit. Simple as that.
I doubt there is anybody around here being able to do so much consistent work.
One kesha type "banger" won't make you a ****ing dr. luke.
Please...don't try to compare your everday bedroom beatmaker to someone like dr. luke.
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Prynceton
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Every song and beat need a hook, a catch, something catchy about it. You find and then fad it out till its dead and hope u can surf another way the same way. Such is entertainment
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gmanbadmon20
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This is Ammo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpaHHVIGuYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpaHHVIGuYU
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azoozpc
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thanks .. azoozpc