Making your "keyboard" beats sound like samples

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Anyways, I was reading in an interview with DR Period where he said he can make his keyboard beats sound like samples by playing synths from his fantom, sampling them into the S950, then running them into his mixer before he chops the synths up into pieces and assigns them to the pads on his MPC 4000.

So, below is my setup and I was wondering I could do the same thing, and after I play the synths in FL Studio with my midi keyboard, is there any way I can get them out of my computer and run them through my mixer before re-sampling them into Edison and assinging the pieces to the pads of my MPD?

here's my setup:
FL Studio 8 ran through a Toshiba Satellite Laptop
Ion USB Turntable
Mackie Micro Series 1202 Mixer
Akai MPD 32
Korg K49 midi keyboard

vst's: Hypersonic 2, Trilogy
Audio editing programs: Adobe Audition, Audacity
and I have a bunch of vinyl of course
 
Output of soundcard to an input on the mixer and the output of the mixer into the soundcard?

Or forget all that and use this iZotope Vinyl
 
noblewordz said:
Output of soundcard to an input on the mixer and the output of the mixer into the soundcard?

Or forget all that and use this iZotope Vinyl
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so if I apply the isotope vinyl plugin to my synths they will sound like samples after i've re-sampled them? this sounds like it could save a lot of time. On another note, do you know how to sample at a lower bit-rate in fl studio?
 
I don't know about sample rate but if you put an effect on it like a tape effect (like the Scream from Reason) and then throw some vinyl sounds over it, you should be good.
 
dkelloway said:
so if I apply the isotope vinyl plugin to my synths they will sound like samples after i've re-sampled them? this sounds like it could save a lot of time. On another note, do you know how to sample at a lower bit-rate in fl studio?
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no the point is you don't have to re sample them. Its a bad idea to change sample rate, you can get it to sound grimy with izotope and later if you want adjust it, its more flexible.
 
dkelloway said:
how do you control the sample bit rate?
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4 Plugins that work well....

Fruity Squeeze plugin (amazing if you know how to work it)
Fruity Free Filter
izotope vinyl plugin (mentioned in above post)
Amplitube plugin


Now experiment!!!
 
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trillz said:
4 Plugins that work well....

Fruity Squeeze plugin (amazing if you know how to work it)
Fruity Free Filter
izotope vinyl plugin (mentioned in above post)
Amplitube plugin


Now experiment!!!
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so these are like bitcrushers that can deteriorate or warm up the synths or is this something different?
 
dkelloway said:
so these are like bitcrushers that can deteriorate or warm up the synths or is this something different?
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Correct....and more. Read up on the Squeeze filter..
 
1. layer different keyboard patches and synths together to make a nice phat sound
2. record it as a simple midi loop and bounce it out as wav
3. bring it back in and load it as a patch or chop it
4. try these effects: bitcrusher (12 bit-22khz), isotope vinyl, distortion, magneto,
5. add some delay and reverb at a real low volume

You can do this a bunch of times with different layers or samples and then use them together and it will sound like a sample. I do this with guitar loops that I record myself too.

P.S. Another good trick is to make a loop that sounds like the type of song you would sample and process it before you chop it and make a beat.
 
Danon BREZ said:
1. layer different keyboard patches and synths together to make a nice phat sound
2. record it as a simple midi loop and bounce it out as wav
3. bring it back in and load it as a patch or chop it
4. try these effects: bitcrusher (12 bit-22khz), isotope vinyl, distortion, magneto,
5. add some delay and reverb at a real low volume

You can do this a bunch of times with different layers or samples and then use them together and it will sound like a sample. I do this with guitar loops that I record myself too.

P.S. Another good trick is to make a loop that sounds like the type of song you would sample and process it before you chop it and make a beat.
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great post.

What keyboard patches do you recommend? are these like the differnt types of synths inside a vst like Hypersonic 2?

also, is CamelPhat considered to be a 12 bit-22khz bitcrusher?

thanks
 
dkelloway said:
great post.

What keyboard patches do you recommend? are these like the differnt types of synths inside a vst like Hypersonic 2?

also, is CamelPhat considered to be a 12 bit-22khz bitcrusher?

thanks
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Yeah you can use the presets inside hypersonic or any other vst, soundfont, or hardware keyboard. It doesn't matter as long as you like the sound as is. I like to mix different string patches from different vst's and soundfonts before I process them. I'll mix it with like a string sample that's using the same note and adjust the volume until it all sounds like one string sound. The same applies to any instrument, real or synthetic like brass, organs etc.

No, camelphat is a processor that has distortion, compression, and eq type of effects. What I'm talking about is a free vst that you download called Bitcrusher. It actually lowers the quality of the sound to 12 bit making it sound as if you sampled it into an old sampler like the SP 1200 or MPC. By lowering the bit rate to 22khz you are making it even lower quality and adding digital noise which makes it sound rough like a sample. When you combine this effect with isotope vinyl and some eq, compression, and distortion you get as close to a sample as possible.
 
Danon BREZ said:
Yeah you can use the presets inside hypersonic or any other vst, soundfont, or hardware keyboard. It doesn't matter as long as you like the sound as is. I like to mix different string patches from different vst's and soundfonts before I process them. I'll mix it with like a string sample that's using the same note and adjust the volume until it all sounds like one string sound. The same applies to any instrument, real or synthetic like brass, organs etc.

No, camelphat is a processor that has distortion, compression, and eq type of effects. What I'm talking about is a free vst that you download called Bitcrusher. It actually lowers the quality of the sound to 12 bit making it sound as if you sampled it into an old sampler like the SP 1200 or MPC. By lowering the bit rate to 22khz you are making it even lower quality and adding digital noise which makes it sound rough like a sample. When you combine this effect with isotope vinyl and some eq, compression, and distortion you get as close to a sample as possible.
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So, you will combine a string sample off of a Quincy Jones record for example and layer it with strings that you'll play yourself (in the same key) that come from a string patch off a vst like Hypersonic.

Thanks a lot for the clarification as well. Can you post some of the beats that you have made wehre you have used this technique?
 
u can use anything from bit crusher 2 a guitar amp simulator 2 receive the desired effect
personally i use different things for different instruments
drums n hi quality samples (off cds n mp3s) i use a bit crusher
guitars, pianos, synths, etc. i use izotope trash 2 apply light distortion usually tube or tape saturation (use mildly! for the effect u want)

ive also recorded my turntable playing between tracks then looped it n faded it into the back ground of a sample of a cd 2 create a decent effect of the sample being vinyl (must more realistic then izotope vinyl if u ask me)

theres alot of different methods out there
like a friend of mine actually sets up an amp n rerecords it into his daw with an old ****ty mic then blends the 2 together

just apply effects mildly n dont try n over effect something or it will decrease the effect of being "sampled" n just sound ****ty
 
dkelloway said:
So, you will combine a string sample off of a Quincy Jones record for example and layer it with strings that you'll play yourself (in the same key) that come from a string patch off a vst like Hypersonic.

Thanks a lot for the clarification as well. Can you post some of the beats that you have made wehre you have used this technique?
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Yeah, thats exactly what I mean. I make a lot of string and brass hits by mixing string patches with sampled hits from classical music, sound modules, and other rap songs into one giant hit and compressing with eq and bitcrusher. A few of my beats are completely sample based to but I will use the sample in such a way that it sounds completely like a synth preset. When u master these tools u can honestly create any sound u want without even knowing much about synth programming other than envelopes and filters.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7434843
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7447104
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7447096
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=2890431
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6888561

None of these are sample based but they have that feel. You could make them sound harder than this though cuz I like mine to still sound mostly clean and just a little dirty.
 
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This is such a good thread it gives me the appetite experiment
i'm trying to make my beats sound more like they're have been sampled
but not quit get the feel, after reading post here gave me a solid guideline what to use and what to do
 
Guitar Rig by Native Instruments. Add Guitar Rig to you main out of the instrumentation and find the sound you want. The main purpose of Guitar Rig is use as different guitar amps, but when you run your entire instrumental through it, you can get a great vinyl feel to the track.
 
Oh word ???
never figured that out!
could you also use a JCM900 ? the only part that suck is you don't have a mic to capture different sound/feel (placing the mic)
like in Amplitube or Guitar Rig
 
this has been a damn good informative thread for those who don't already know how to make self-composed beats sound sampled. In addition to the great advice already give, when you're done lowering your sound fidelity, you may want to add a little record hiss over you overall track and one shots to help add to a sampled vinyl effect
 
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