Oh, you're a hip-hop producer?

M.C.-Exclusivo said:
Not sure how and why this has become an argument/debate. But let me put it this way, I'm behind brodel on this one. You wouldn't have had Kanye West without J Dilla... Same with Marley Marl, no Marley Marl. You'd have no DJ Premier, and the lists can go on. Also, J Dilla(or his mother said it) once said he based most of the music he made off of Pete Rocks earliest stuff, the beats he did for InI... So no Pete Rock, no Dilla... Like I said the list goes on.

And also, no one is going to reply to attention seeking statements about J dilla being shit. Cause everyone who knows of him, respects him. And those who don't respect him, probably don't respect the forefathers of Hip Hop, and in essence, don't respect the culture... But they'll probably come out with the next trap shit and be like 'Yeah, I was influenced heavily off of Lex Luger(etc)' The interviewers going to be like 'What about J Dilla(etc)?' and you know the dude will be like 'Yeah, sorry, I don't know who the **** you're on about?!'

If you don't respect the forefathers of Hip Hop, you don't respect the culture. You don't even have to like J Dillas music, but you got to respect his formulas.

My 2 cents.
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That's the point I was getting at with my initial post in this thread.

You can't quantify how Hip Hop a person is, there are guys who can probably produce their @ss off but have NO IDEA who Dilla is.
It's not a qualification for being a dope Hip Hop producer or even a producer at all. And that's if they describe themselves as Hip Hop and participate, not someone who makes Gaga influenced tracks but calls themselves "Hip Hop".
Too many people use knowledge as some sort of crutch as if knowing Dilla, or Marley Marl, or *insert important figure here* means they're MORE Hip Hop and thus better at making Hip Hop.
That same producer in your hypothetical situation you created shouldn't HAVE to know Dilla, he should know his influences and what sorta of sub-genre he participates in.

I'm not saying that a person should be ignorant to things on purpose, I'm just saying they don't have to have encyclopedic Hip Hop knowledge to make enjoyable music. Seems like the pointless barring of entrance for participation in "Hip hop" and another way to justify not accepting a different style simply because the figures of note within that style aren't associated with someone else's style or sub-genre.

SO yeah in a younger Sub-Genre like Trap I would expect a guy to bring up Lex luger because he would clearly have heavy influence on all of the people that came after him. The same as some dude making G-Funk he'd probably put Battlecat and Dj Quik over Dilla because that's who would most likely have the most influence on him.
 
UpanComer said:
That's the point I was getting at with my initial post in this thread.

You can't quantify how Hip Hop a person is, there are guys who can probably produce their @ss off but have NO IDEA who Dilla is.
It's not a qualification for being a dope Hip Hop producer or even a producer at all. And that's if they describe themselves as Hip Hop and participate, not someone who makes Gaga influenced tracks but calls themselves "Hip Hop".
Too many people use knowledge as some sort of crutch as if knowing Dilla, or Marley Marl, or *insert important figure here* means they're MORE Hip Hop and thus better at making Hip Hop.
That same producer in your hypothetical situation you created shouldn't HAVE to know Dilla, he should know his influences and what sorta of sub-genre he participates in.

I'm not saying that a person should be ignorant to things on purpose, I'm just saying they don't have to have encyclopedic Hip Hop knowledge to make enjoyable music. Seems like the pointless barring of entrance for participation in "Hip hop" and another way to justify not accepting a different style simply because the figures of note within that style aren't associated with someone else's style or sub-genre.

SO yeah in a younger Sub-Genre like Trap I would expect a guy to bring up Lex luger because he would clearly have heavy influence on all of the people that came after him. The same as some dude making G-Funk he'd probably put Battlecat and Dj Quik over Dilla because that's who would most likely have the most influence on him.
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Pretty much what I was trying to get at. Though, for all hip hop producers, I would say you should know about it's history, just for your sake... Learning off those who came before you, will make you better at what you do in my opinion. I've never ever said to someone only 'DJ Premier and Pete Rock influence me', because it would be a lie. My main influences are Primo and Pete Rock, but I'm also influenced by many MANY artists, who just may not be obvious... I'm actually influenced by Lex Luger, to some degree, I don't like his music, but I'm still influenced by it. I think we all are, if you've heard the music... You're either influenced against making music like him, or you're influenced to make music like him. Same goes for a trap producer and Dilla...

If you understand what I'm trying to say...
 
mwandishi said:
This thread is just getting worse and worse. Dilla is from Detroit, and Dilla did more than just sample. Google the Roots and find out what real musicians like Quest luv or 88-keys thought bout Dilla. Did you say the south don't respect sample based producers?

Ooops I guess Scarface ain't from the South, and he must not be a Southern Hip-hop legend. I'm not even gonna talk about DJ Screw. Class dismissed.
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I respect Brad(scarface) for his flow only! He's not a beat making legend dude,stop trying to twist shit! That song was a hit i cant lie but who ever stole the original sample i dont respect period! Dr.dre was the first producer when i first started making music,lost respect as i realize he sampled most of all his music,then i said well he mix and masters well he's still the man then i realized he has a team of engineers and ghost producers as well dude aint shit to me now!I RESPECT LEX LUGER MORE THAN DR.DRE BECAUSE ALL HIS MUSIC IS HIS SHIT NOT STOLEN PERIOD! Thats why most music from the south is original man!
 
MR44khz said:
Producers from the south dont givebut down south has more music history like blues,jazz etc.. We dont really respect sample base producers period,we look up to original music not crate digging producers. I think west coast producers are the same because they grew up listening to some type funk sound.
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WTF! woooow....just....wooooow
 
901_Rice_Street said:
Damn that. Yall ain't hip hop because you don't know who this man is.
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I don't know who here IS claiming to be hip hop. IDK about you, but I'm not hip hop, or rock, or rap. I'm ME.

I don't need to know every unknown, hipster ass rapper (not saying Dilla is one of those, he's well known, and always on this websites metaphorical d*ck for some reason) to be a good producer.
 
MR44khz said:
I respect Brad(scarface) for his flow only! He's not a beat making legend dude,stop trying to twist shit! That song was a hit i cant lie but who ever stole the original sample i dont respect period! Dr.dre was the first producer when i first started making music,lost respect as i realize he sampled most of all his music,then i said well he mix and masters well he's still the man then i realized he has a team of engineers and ghost producers as well dude aint shit to me now!I RESPECT LEX LUGER MORE THAN DR.DRE BECAUSE ALL HIS MUSIC IS HIS SHIT NOT STOLEN PERIOD! Thats why most music from the south is original man!
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First Rap A-Lot is out H-Town, and you claimed that the South didn't sample. Second, Lex Luger > Dre????????? Okay, I'm done your musical knowledge is just too much for me.
 
mwandishi said:
First Rap A-Lot is out H-Town, and you claimed that the South didn't sample. Second, Lex Luger > Dre????????? Okay, I'm done your musical knowledge is just too much for me.
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You need to understand what you read i never said the south dont sample i said most of us dont! And just because rap--a-lot did songs with samples dont mean a south producer did the track bruh think about it. Again i put lex or any producer who makes all their shit from scratch over any sample base producer period! For me it's like eating a home cook meal made from scratch vs a tv dinner really no comparison dude!
 
Dr. Dre >>>>> Luger
That's five greater than signs, I was being nice, could easily add more.

@MR44khz sampling is apart of Hip Hop dude, like it or not it's a staple in this genre.
Hating sampling in Hip Hop is the equivalent to hating Guitar in Rock.
If you ask me.
 
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All the producers doing tracks for Rap-A-Lot were from the South (it was like 1988 wasn't nobody from NY was doing the tracks. LOL.), mainly from Houston. All you had to say is I'm not into samples, but claiming it wasn't a southern thing was way off based. The evolution is Southern hip-hop is more complex than that (bye the way did you know that DJ Premier is from the Houston area?). But I get your point and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Oh ya, I guess cats from the South don't respect Bun B:
 
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UpanComer said:
Dr. Dre >>>>> Luger
That's five greater than signs, I was being nice, could easily add more.

@MR44khz sampling is apart of Hip Hop dude, like it or not it's a staple in this genre.
Hating sampling in Hip Hop is the equivalent to hating Guitar in Rock.
If you ask me.
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I never said it wasnt hip hop btw,all im saying is that i dont respect it (sampling)just like cats in the east dont respect lil wayne,to each his own. you cats act like we got to like who you like or we dont know hip hop and thats just bullshit real talk.

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mwandishi said:
All the producers doing tracks for Rap-A-Lot were from the South (it was like 1988 wasn't nobody from NY was doing the tracks. LOL.), mainly from Houston. All you had to say is I'm not into samples, but claiming it wasn't a southern thing was way off based. The evolution is Southern hip-hop is more complex than that (bye the way did you know that DJ Premier is from the Houston area?). But I get your point and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Yes i did know about dj premier and he gets no love in the H bruh,cats down here probably wouldnt know what he look like!
 
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MR44khz said:
You need to understand what you read i never said the south dont sample i said most of us dont! And just because rap--a-lot did songs with samples dont mean a south producer did the track bruh think about it. Again i put lex or any producer who makes all their shit from scratch over any sample base producer period! For me it's like eating a home cook meal made from scratch vs a tv dinner really no comparison dude!
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so you telling me even though dilla sampled his ass off you still respect lex more than him, c'monson. samples can be used in any ****ing form in music, hell you probably wouldn't know that track you were listening to is based off of samples. to me a person who samples really good compared a person a who made their own ish can also be compared to eating a meal at a 5 star restaurant as opposed to eating a lousy home cooked meal
 
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