Ortofon nightclub E's...your opinion?

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Hey all,
I'll using a pair of ortofon nightclub E carts on my 1200's. A pro hip hop DJ I recently met told me that in his experience, they just rip your vinyl up like crazy. Anyone else had this experience?
 
Yeah i heard the same by some djs i know. But the sound quality on ortofons is excellent.
 
Yeah, thanks. I've heard that the sound quality is great as well, although I don't have anything to compare them to.
 
Es will definately tear up vinyl if you scratch with them. the sound quality of the E is great but the price is increased wear especially if heavily backcueing or scratching. if you want a good crossover cart, check out the Shure M44G. - jeff h
 
if you mostly mix, you may wanna check out the shure whitelabels, or a little of both, then check out the m44-g. BTW, lots of mix djs and clubs use ortofons, so if it's just mixing you're doing, i don't really think they will be a problem.
 
Thanks. Maybe I'll pick up a pair of the Shure White labels.
 
I was reading on interview on the net of some old school scratch/juggling DJ in the early '90's whose favorite cart was the 680SL, which was a stereohedron or microridge cart. According to popular belief, that should wear the vinyl down a lot, but I'm not so sure. If it's running at 2 grams and is distributing the wear to a larger area, then it should be less. What would bother me more is that the Nightclubs want 3-3.5 grams tracking force and whatever damage it does to the records while scratching is total, not just to a certain area of the grooves. Ellipticals hold the groove better on playback, but worse when backcueing or scratching. So, you might want to look into Whitelabels or 44-G's. Since you already have Orts in their Pro line, you might as well just get some scratch needles in the line that are spherical and call it a day. It will also be a good backup in case you're stuck mixing on strait arms, which you should never use an elliptical needle on.
 
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one thing you can do is buy a set of scratch styli's (the pink ones) for your nightclubs.
it will look kind of funny having a pink needle on a yellow headshell, but it will work just as well as a regular ortofon scratch, and tear up your vinyl a lot less.
i actuall own a set of om ortofon scratch, and i also have a set of nightclub e stylis i use from time to time, work just fine and sound great.
same way with the shure m44-7/g, the stylis are interchangable, so you can be a 7 cart and use g stylis, or vice versa.
hope that helps things a little.
Josh
 
All of the above is good advice. You may also want to consider the new Ort GT, now available in all Guitar Center stores nationally @ $49.99
 
I mix with the Nightclubs E and I do not suffer from record wear.
But then again how would you notice this?
 
Don't the black & fluoro Nightclub series come in both Nightclub E and Nightclub S flavours?

I have some Nightclub S's myself I use for clubs.

And from my experience, Ortofon's cut up your vinyl anyway, Shure M44G's are where its at.
 
sound quality, record wear, and skip resistance defines a needle. u can have the best of one or two, but never all three

ortofons: top-notch sound quality, high record wear, decent skip resistance

shure m44: so-so sound quality, low record wear, highest skip resistance

shure whitelabel: excellent sound quality, low record wear, so-so skip resistance
 
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...and, of course, all of the above is highly dependent on setting up the cart properly.
(ie tracking force, anti-skating and TA height)
 
inproper setup and worn or warped needles do more damage to your vinyl than the difference between vinyl burn of diffenent manufactors is;

there are even more things to consider than the above mentioned: eg the whitelabels have low record wear and good soundquality, but the needle is more fragile compared to an ortofon concorde - one other thing is, that with a weight of 1,5 to 2,0 g (which some shure cart allow) the tonearm feels very light: some DJs don´t like it, others don´t care
 
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