Progressive house vs Progressive Trance

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What is the difference between these two styles.Are they the same.Give me a example of one progressive
house track and one progressive trance.track.
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-in my experience, the term "progressive" refers to a new style or new variation on a theme.

-BUT!, the term "progressive" is relative, so what one may call progressive, another may call old school. A person may write a track, and then label it "progressive <insert genre here>" but that does not necessarily mean that it will be labelled as "progressive" by everyone who listens to it.

-AND! once someone develops a new or "progressive" style, 100 other people may start copying that style until it is common, and therefore no longer "progressive"

-THEREFORE. . .not a big house/trance fan, but the group Hybrid, has been labelled "progressive breakbeat". They in fact, have a unique style and sound. . .but that is only my opinion.:hello:
 
Do you remember that song where the guy goes "let this house be progressive!" ?

I first heard that song on a "trance" compilation album (this was before I had diverted most of my liquid income to aquiring vinyl), needless to say I was very confused.

Frankly, I don't really think it matters a whole lot, like yesterday I went to one record store and saw a few tracks in the "Cyber Trance" section, went across the street and saw the same albums in a different store under "Progressive Trance". The lines tend to definately blur, since I'm pretty sure most people you ask will have a slightly different idea of what progressive house and trance are. It prolly involves a lot of handwaving.

Just as long as we don't start acting like the Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons and go around at clubs going "I only like Progressive-Cyber-Darkcore-Goa Trance from Holland from the mid to late 90s" I'm sure it'll be okay. :D

Respect
 
i always thought progressive meant that the structure of the song is "progressive". sure all songs are pretty much progressive but tracks labelled progressive (at least at the records shops around me) are the ones that are extremely progressive in that they start with a simple bassline then a break with a long and dramatic build with minor scales and then a huge release into a major scale, then it repeats. you know what i'm talking about.

i used to love songs like that (it is the origin of my name) but lately i've thought of progressive trance and house as "weenie music", i still like it, just not as much.
 
I have some "progressive house" one is "Shaiva" by DJ Nukem and Chab, and the other is "Devildust" by Kublikhana, I really liek these records. I don't know, if it were up to me I'd put them in the "trance" category, but they don't use a lot of drum rolls like trance, nor are they as fast as most trance. Check out Groovetech( you can look for records by style there) and listen to some samples on real audio.

To sum up: progressive house is "not quite trance" haha. genres are artificial markers as to what music is, it has to be more subjective than that.:monkey:
 
Yeah i was always of the same thoughts as DJMangazm.

Doesn't progressive pre-pended to a genre name mean that the actual flow/structure of the song progresses? Ie it might start slow and gradually build up and up rar rar.

I saw one of the guys from LEFTFIELD on tv once and he said one day that a bunch of guys came up to him in his studio when they had just released their first cd and said something like "hey, we have a name for your type of music!, Progressive House."

Now as far as im concerned just about all LEFTFIELDS tracks do PROGRESS along...don't they? I guess its hard though one person might think a song progresses while another doesn't....

Also with Trance i would say Pee Wee's Water albumn (australian DJ) is mostly Progressive Trance, many ppl though would call it Trance or Melodic Trance....

Oh well i just generally class melodic trance and progressive Trance as the same thing.

Its a hard one.
peace
 
I've seen the same tracks on hard house, uplifting trance and techno compilations. I don't think a single track can be defined in a genre. It depends more on the feel of the whole set you play.
 
This is a good link for helping with genres, it has loads of soundclip links:

http://www.bluelight.nu/ubb/Forum32/HTML/000024.html?reload=3

Progressive House to progressive trance is the the same as House to Trance -> Trance has more synths and is more hands in the airy, while house, well...... housier :) (that's my own opinion)
:)

I always get confused on Mondays.......:victory:
 
enkorat said:
Do you remember that song where the guy goes "let this house be progressive!" ?
Respect
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ya that song is "got the groove" by sm-trax

it came out on a cd called radikal trance techno. pretty cool cd. it had "the launch" on it and "got tanzte"
i still play it alot in the car.;)
 
sm-trax.. *spit* they would have to be the biggest frauds wouldnt they?
 
I highly prefer progressive trance....is it me or does trance have more things involved....such as pianos and strings and stuff..i dunno..i like prog trance....
 
Check the mags, the reviews, the shop stands, the playlists. Go out for some nights, clubs and gigs.

The boundaries between the styles and genres are so blurred nowadays that prog house and prog trance, house and trance and even other odd tracks go along and get mixed/reviewed/classified/displayed in different categories/places by different reviwers/mags/shops/djs.

Like, X track can be tagged as prog in a mag or list and as house in others, or even in the same ones!!! Or something....... Oh f*ck, that got me confused...:cry:

:p

:D

:cheers:
 
Alex TC said:
The boundaries between the styles and genres are so blurred nowadays that prog house and prog trance, house and trance and even other odd tracks go along and get mixed/reviewed/classified/displayed in different categories/places by different reviwers/mags/shops/djs.
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Hehe...like how that BackStreetBoys trance song was classified in my local record store as progressive trance? :D
 
Say what???

:eek: WOW... that's too much I think..:D:D:D Maybe the shop ppl are in the need of hearing aids... baaad!!!
 
yes sm-trax is bad but back in the day when i first started listening to electronic music it was the ****. just goes to show how much you change once you get into the music scene:)
 
yes sm-trax is bad but back in the day when i first started listening to electronic music it was the ****. just goes to show how much you change once you get into the music scene
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heh.. true true I used to listen to dj bobo when i was a younging .... hah.. Remember the song somebody dance with me.. like way back.. early 90's.. oh yeh.. that was the shiat

:monkey:
 
As Todd Gardner said:

"Some people think that the progress of house is progressive but we all know that progressive ain't house."



"Love will save the day"
 
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DJ Peligro said:
I have some "progressive house" one is "Shaiva" by DJ Nukem and Chab, and the other is "Devildust" by Kublikhana, I really liek these records.
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Hurrah, a fellow Chab fan :) The man can't do anything wrong. Also check out:

Nukem & Chab - Dayna
Chab - Sinus
Star (another Chab alias) - Rockrose
or any of Chab's remixes. They're minimal but very tasty :-) A nice compromise between hard house and progressive house.

In general I think of house as being more to do with rhythm, and trance as being a bit more to do with chords / harmony. Prog house is often associated with a darker, more tribal sound (lots of percussion etc.) but in theory it's stuff that takes on board lots of influences, e.g. some stuff is quite discoey, some a little trancey, some is quite mellow, some stuff has soully vocals, etc. In general progressive house tends to be quite 'trancey' in the sense of being intricate and hypnotic, having lots of layers of texture, etc but it's not generally what you'd call 'uplifting' (in the cheesy trance sense of the word).

I've no idea why people go on about trance v house (as if they're opposed). They're not exactly a million miles apart. Like I said, IMHO prog house is quite 'trancey'. Maybe people thing house just means soully vocal stuff, and trance just means ATB.

Also I'd slightly disagree with Jungling Guy about the progressive 'structure' - I think that the idea is that no two progressive tunes have the same structure (although of course they do!). It's a lot more unpredictable - kind of like a rebellion against the relatively formulaic structure of trance and hard house (i.e. new theme / breakdown / build-up / full throttle etc). But yes, prog tracks often evolve very gradually from nothing as you say.

Progressive house is where it's at for me :) And yes, Shaiva is a dog's b0110cks tune :cool:
 
Hogus said:
I've seen the same tracks on hard house, uplifting trance and techno compilations. I don't think a single track can be defined in a genre. It depends more on the feel of the whole set you play.
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Well said. E.g. The aforementioned Chab has had similar tracks on Seb Fontaine's Prototype 4 compilation (which is what I'd call fairly hard progressive trance) and Danny Howell's Nu-Breed compilation (which is what I'd call progressive house).
What's in a name anyway? :)
 
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enkorat said:
Hehe...like how that BackStreetBoys trance song was classified in my local record store as progressive trance? :D
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Nah, I think it was in the wrong section mate :) LOL
Unless it was remixed by Chab - now that WOULD be a spectacle :)
 
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