question: whats the difference between reggaeton and soca?

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is there a difference between reggaeton and soca?

seriously, i have no idea, anyone explain this to me?
 
orry, but weren't you the one who didn't want people to post about reggaeton in this forum? Cuz it seems you're the one posting all the Reggaeton threads...Before you flame me, think.
 
we all established that reggaeton was going to keep being posted in the reggae section some time ago.

as each and every single obnoxious, noobish, insecure, ignorant, and overtly half assed post on this forum is directly linked to reggaeton, i decided to ask for some education on what the difference is between soca and reggaeton.

and once again, i got an obnoxious, noobish, insecure, and petty answer from a reggaeton head.

go figure.
 
ichi said:
is there a difference between reggaeton and soca?

seriously, i have no idea, anyone explain this to me?
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assuming this is not a troll question...

there is nothing in common between the two, other than reggaeton seems to be now "borrowing" soca stylings as well as reggae.

soca is "soul calypso" - the genre that evolved from calypso in Trinidad in the 70s, and is the indigenous popular music for almost every english-speaking caribbean state with the exception of jamaica. soca is also the music you hear during west indian carnivals.

the mainstream stuff you are hearing these days (Kevin Lyttle, Rupee) is not very typical of most soca, but the more crossover sounding stuff is what has caught the foreign ear.
 
the difference b2ween reggaeton and soca is that reggaetons are hispanic and soca is westindian/BLACK music soca is a mixture of soul/calypso
<S O C A>

WHY DO YOU WISH TO THROW SOCA IN WITH REGGAETON ARE YOU OF WESTINDIAN DECENT?
PEOPLE THATS TRINIDADIAN, ANTIGUAN JAMAICAN ETC ETC KNOW IT AINT THE SAME THOSE ARE REGGAECALYPSO TYPE BEATS. THERE ARE MANY SOCA BEAT PATTERNS TOO SAME AS D.H

NOW IM TRYING TO BE AT PEACE WITH THIS BEAT PATTERN THING BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE, DANCEHALL ESP! SOCA AND OTHER TYPES OF AFRICAN CARNIVAL MUSIC HAS BEEN USING THOSE BEAT PATTERNS BEFORE REGGAETON....


http://www3.audiomaxxx.com/AudioFiles5/SupaSoca1.ram
 
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it totally wasnt a troll question, and i sincerely appreciate you giving me a straight answer.

can you give me a functional definition of what reggaeton is, then?

i really thought i understood what reggeaton was, then i started hearing tons of 'reggaeton' that sounded exactly like the soca i hear every day in my neighborhood, which is largely dominican.

of course, its entirely possible that there has been a muddying of the waters in terms of what defines 'soca' today.. because back in the 80's/90's, the soca i heard in latin clubs in SF was largely just latin funk/disco, you know? then the whole digital soca wave came in the late 90's, early 00's, which has an extremely similar beat structure to a lot of the uptempo dancehall riddims that are getting ported to reggaeton right and left.

again, thank you for helping me clear up my ignorance on the subject.

unfortunately, the vast majority of people posting non-critical reggaeton posts on this forum are barely out of puberty and wish the world could see how cool they look in their wife beaters and bandanas, and thus make very poor vehicles for any real discourse on the subject.
 
ICHI YOU CAN GO TO MANY WEB SITES AND THE ONE THING THEY SAY IS JAMAICA INFLUENCED THEIR DANCE BEAT SO WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.

http://www.latinoforum.com/archives/000240.html

http://www.musicofpuertorico.com/en/genre_reggaeton.html

A COUPLE OF DES CATS ARE CONFUSE BUT SOME MAKE POINTS BELOW
http://www.musicofpuertorico.com/cgi-bin/cutecast/cutecast.pl?


INTERESTING:
http://www.harlemlive.org/arts-culture/religion/rootsofspanishreggae/rootsofspanishreggae.html



SAMPLES:
http://www3.audiomaxxx.com/AudioFiles5/riddimup5.ram
 
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Hey, my bad Ichi...I was getting kinda tired of people throwing hits at me because I said something wrong about reggae...I just thought you were trying to be smart, like "If Reggaeton is exactly like Soca, why is it being posted in the Reggae section?"...My apologies if you were asking a straight question. No hard feelings?
 
ichi said:
it totally wasnt a troll question, and i sincerely appreciate you giving me a straight answer.

can you give me a functional definition of what reggaeton is, then?

i really thought i understood what reggeaton was, then i started hearing tons of 'reggaeton' that sounded exactly like the soca i hear every day in my neighborhood, which is largely dominican.

of course, its entirely possible that there has been a muddying of the waters in terms of what defines 'soca' today.. because back in the 80's/90's, the soca i heard in latin clubs in SF was largely just latin funk/disco, you know? then the whole digital soca wave came in the late 90's, early 00's, which has an extremely similar beat structure to a lot of the uptempo dancehall riddims that are getting ported to reggaeton right and left.

again, thank you for helping me clear up my ignorance on the subject.

unfortunately, the vast majority of people posting non-critical reggaeton posts on this forum are barely out of puberty and wish the world could see how cool they look in their wife beaters and bandanas, and thus make very poor vehicles for any real discourse on the subject.
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i think what you think you are hearing is not soca, because that is not what you would be hearing in a Dominican neighbourhood or in a latin club in SF (either South Florida or San Francisco, I have lived in both). Soca really doesn't have the latin beat, novice listeners might think so because there can sometimes be a lot of brass, but the arrangement of soca and merengue are very different (fast zouk is really much closer to merengue than soca)- soca is much more disco/house (depending on its age) in its drum patterns.

If you really want to check out the difference, check out some of these bands/singers to hear contemporary popular soca:

Machel Montano & Xtatik
Square One
Krosfyah
Burning Flames
Traffik
Atlantik
Destra
Bunji Garlin
Maximus Dan

Soca is also not exclusively "black" music - the origins of soca also lie heavily in Indo-Caribbean music (remember half the population of Trinidad is of East Indian descent, and about 60% in Guyana). And carnival in the Caribbean is actually rooted in Catholicism and midieval European carnival tradition- remember carnival is celelebrated the two days before Ash Wednesday, and the word itself is a corruption of the Latin "Carne Vale" meaning farewell to the flesh, implying that on Ash Wednesday Catholics stop eating meat for the Easter Season. Carnival in the Caribbean is a synergy of European and African traditions, since it was the one time of the year in which slaves where given leeway to be creative and party a bit.

I can't make any comment on reggaeton except to say all of it that i have heard sounds exactly to me like old dancehall beats with spanish lyrics (and now a few soca-ish variations) - BUT, on the other hand, I don't listen to it much, so I may be missing a wider range that is out there.
 
This is an excellent education for me on soca, thank you very much for taking the time to bring me up to speed.

I was referring to San Fran btw.
 
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