Roland SP-606 Questions

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Hey, just got the sp-606 sampler, I have gone through the manual, but haven't put much time into experimenting. I have been DJing for 5 years and have used software to make beats before, so I know the basics, but I have a few questions.

For the SP-606 users, how do you assign a sample to a pad, then map it out over the 16 pads to play it in different notes, my friend who has an MPC 2000 does this. (*note I won't be using the P606 software as my computer is not in the best working order)

How would I record over an existing sound, ie to make a kick or snare thicker? Would I resample?

Also, since it is only a 4 track sequenceer, what is the easiest way to sequence a beat with multiple patterns, and not sound limited to the 4 tracks?

Thanks for any help and suggestions, paaace!
 
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Anyone have any suggestions, or links to info? Thanks!
 
JDeezy the sample u have to chop it then it will assign it to the pads ..u do know how to chop the sample right ? there nothing about manually chopping it ! That I promiss u .When you chop the sample the 606 sometime's don't and will not chop the way u want that sample to be chopped . It has 1 - 10 1 is the finest chop and 10 isn't .As for it playing it back n differnt note's ( well my friend you're s.o.l. just like me :( ).I'm tried the p606 it's very lame (it's by Cakewalk ) the software won't werk unless u got the 606 hooked up to it ..So you're not missing anything there . I'm looking 4 better software that has to do with sampling only but, nothing yet ?And I'll try to get back 2 u on the resample ? and the 4 track limitations .
 
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Hey Tuanjamz, thanks for the reply!! At least someone stepped to bat!

So over the last few weeks I have learned that you cannot mannualy adjust the chop points as you mentioned, which sucks, and that you can't change the pitch of the sample like MPCs can, which also sucks.

I have read that to avoid the limitations of the sequencer only being a 4-track, that you can take all 4 tracks and then convert them to 1 single patern/track? How is this done? I know most ppl wouldn't consider sequencing in the 606 itself, but I'm not to savy with software sequencing.

And also, as far as layering, how do you record over a sample, still haven't figured it out.

To the SP-606 users out there, has anyone noted that sometimes the sample volume will flucture when effects are applyed to them? So the pad velocity set to 100, sensitivity set to medium, yet sometimes it will vary in volume, or if struck multiple times?

Thanks for your help! Peace.
 
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for chopping manually, check page 51 of your manual.

page 51 shows you how to adjust the start and endpoints of a sample assigned to a pad (chopping)

as far as getting around the four track sequencer, you could bounce them down, although im not sure if the 606 allows this...(dont really feel like reading the rest of the manual as it does me no good;) )

and as far as effects affecting volume, it probably has something to do with the effects output. in the manual it shows something about most effects having an e. level setting, to adjust this. (pg. 35 or so)

also, if your worrying about it varying in volume when struck multiple times, change the volume level of the pad from "real" to a value between 1 and 127 (pg 23 at the bottom, step 4)

and as far as layering sounds, just hit record, and play both the pads at once. resample that into a wav, and chop it (by adjusting start/end points), and assign it to a pad. may be a quicker way, but not sure.

and as far as tuning a sample, i guess your sol, i searched the document, and the words tune and pitch didnt come up once lol.

well, hope this helps you!
 
rapmaster_e i've looked over the manual serval times no manual chopping :(..then all you got is truncate the sample .. that means you have to resample the sample again that's to much work to getting the sample choped you're way ... like B.K you know. In regarding the recent lineage of samplers, I can share something as quoted by a roland representative;
"make a really great all-purpose product, that covers the basics of
what people are already doing. make a familiar package, with some
innovative features...."

(...in context, roland would never invent something like a kaoss pad,
but they built the mga-flop d2 touchpad groovebox 2 years after the
kp-1 came out, and their new sp404 borrows "bpm loop-capture as
effect" and "sample speed/reverse play" and "sample scratch" that was
introduced on the kp-2 years ago...)

he also says
" the 505 is not really a contiuation of the legendary 202 and 303
punch sampler' engine, but the new 404 is...
the 505 was designed to break open the hardware technologies of
sample chopping, for hardware jungle remixing. the 606
was designed to have improved bpm-sync loop-streching, a multi-part
sequencer, and a useable controller interface for a sofware synth."

(...what he doesn't admit is that you can use the sp-606 as a general
controller for software synths other than the "p606" crap it comes with.
with a little work, you can use those 16 pads (wiht velocity) and 3
knobs for reason etc.)the 606 is a uniqe sampler that has the layer-based
sequencing power of an mpc, the simple interface and memory
horsepower of a boss sp-sampler, but with the time-stretching and
sync tools found only on their mv-producs.personally, I think theire p606 software was a waste of resources in trying to appeal to the laptop market with proprietary stuff.
they should instead build a friendly and intuitive midi front end so
that you can wire the 606 as a controller into anything.

the other big problem with the sp is the way it maps samples to midi
notes.right now, the first two bangs are taken up with drum hits that make
up the library of onboard patterns. however, the range of midi notes
that the unit recognizes is covered only by the first FOUR banks of
pads. I want to use the unit largely as a looper, but if I want to
keep the on board beats, those banks have to stay full of those hits.
you can program internal sequences with hits form pad-banks 5 and up.
I REAALLY wish they'd programmed all the factory beats and programs
so they didn't eat up the precious narrow range of recognizable midi
notes, because that REALLY limits how far the unit can go to "play
well with others".

roland should definitely build a softare supplement to organize
patterns, move samples around banks, re-organize patterns with some
arbitrary note coding, and table the samples with the same note-
coding.

this way, you could write a beat on some computer xoxo sequener
program, program the actual sequencing of the notes, and then go
through and audition samples (from a limited library of what is known
to be on the 606 itself) for those parts.leave time-streching off the software, and on the hardware.
then, once you commite sounds to pattern, you dump your sequences (as
4-parts) back onto the hardware 606, and the computer adjusts what
note-numbers are used, so that the hardare sequencer will play the
beats that you graphed out in a visual interface
(...this would certainly salvage the oh-so-unhelpful step interface
on the 606).then you could worry about your phrases and time-stretching on the hardware.

this softare sequece tool would also allow you to take patterns that
you like from the 606 and re-voice them to any seuqncing environment.

it may seem unorthodox for roland to write such supplementary code
for their "finished" product, but as somone who has already gotten a
lot of use out of mine, I think this would REALLY round out it's
utility/usage in modern studios.

wiht this fictional software, this way, I won't have to BY HAND copy
the those (admittedly vanilla) drum hits to other banks and BY HAND
re-program the beats that use those sounds.


regarding rolands innovation, I gotta hand it to them for the variphrase sampler.
that was a killer technology that unfortunately got dragged down by
its memory, and it's my dream roland product would be for them to
make a new variphrase rack sampler.
something with the exact same 4-part sequencer and note-streching
that's on the sp606 for real-time play, but with the
time/pitch/format dimensions for wierd sound-design stuff.
also, the sequencer should recognize
FULL RANGE OF MIDI NOTES...

the variOS was a good idea, but it too much requires a computer to do
get anything done.
the v-synth is promising, but I don't need a whole synth system, and
it's hard to move around.
 
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rapmaster_e i've looked over the manual serval times no manual chopping :(..then all you got is truncate the sample .. that means you have to resample the sample again that's to much work to getting the sample choped you're way ... like B.K you know.

let me guess, are you a DJ using the 606 in your setup?

anyway, on page 51, it shows how to adjust the start and stop points of a sample...which in fact is chopping...manually at that. You may not be able to chop the whole sample into as many chops as it is, like in autochop, but then again its a tradeoff thing i guess. if all your doing is making beats, and you think that is too much work to get your samples chopped, get you a software sampler and chop in there export each slice as wav, and load into you 606.

on my asr-x, the only way to chop is by adjusting the start/stop points, plus, i dont have the pleasure of seeing a graphic waveform...but the main reason im saying this is that, i can sample, send those samples to the pads, and get them chopped up real quick...it just takes time to get used to, and then you can fly through it.
 
I got the 505 but if i do use only the SP to make a track ( which i rarley do )
i use the 4 track sequencer like this

1 main sample
2 drums
3 bass
4 other sounds
 
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