why do y'all be sleepin' on the indie hip-hop scene?

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seriously dude? give me some names and I'll network with them if I think they're the right ones

i honestly feel that we need to network with an artist that is creative yet appealing. like hiphop could change a lot, how are u sure u should network with this person even if hes the craziest rapper out there? what if in 2 years hiphop gets a new sound...what then? can u change to it? its about the factors too..u gotta know someone who's versatile and someone who can look at a completely new concept.

who wouldve expected some weird sounds and 808s could make a banging album (referring to 808s n heartbreaks - kanye)? like if you guys really took a listen to it without the acapella and acted like it's some underground beat..yall probably would sleep it it urself...ud be like oo ight thats pretty cool but it dont catch my attention...but it takes someone who knows what the media is gonna want and how you can deliver it and prove that people will love it if they allowed you to shine a bit more.

my 2cents
 
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very constructive thread we got here, need more like these instead of "the Illuminati stole my beats son!" lol.
 
PBoyProducer said:
there are about 50-75 or so DOPE indie hip-hop artist (who are making moves and have connects) that you all could be making beats for right now and most of you don't...why?
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i don't think that cats KNOW WHERE TO START
 
skmagnum said:
thanks, i was listening to yours on the myspace n then ****s go lol. im sorry, its hella weak a$$ producers on here not understanding that most real world rappers wont touch the beats they make hahaha, yours are actually dope! that beat is one of the styles i do, i mess wit it all, the down south ish, up north, of course my bay ish, whatever (but authentic sounding beats, not the plastic demo sounding beats some folks do lol). i dunno, i guess im just in that mean mood today lol...
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thx

hit me up so we can chop it up cuz I'm thinkin yall would MURDER my beats
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
but ain't everybody and they mama sendin' them cats tracks???
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i was gonna write a long post but i will give my simplified version...although it will probably still be kinda long

if you REALLY want to do this muzik shyt, there is somethings you have to do.

1. get you craft up to par. be a fan and a student of music first, then develop your talent. if you are fan of music you wouldn't try to force music out if YOU knew it wasn't ready. YES, a lot of these kats get beats EVERYDAY, they even ask for beats on facebook, twitter, their blogs, etc. So listen to your beats then play something from the artist you are trying to work with...ask yourself, does this sound on the level of this artist..not just musically, but sonically as well.

2. network, but do it smart. from my experience i found that one of the MOST effective way to network with artists i want to work with is through an introduction from a mutual friend, associate or another artist i've already worked with. if that person is an actually friend of the artist, chances are they respect that person and if they have a relationship with them, they trust them and will probably give you a shot.

if a personal intro is not an option, when you have a chance to meet that person...simply introduce yourself, let them know what you do and that you are a fan of their work, give them your biz card and cd and keep it moving. nobody likes to be pestered. and remember it takes time. i met a pretty big indie rapper back in march 2008, and it took about a year and a half to get to the point to where his number is in my phone and he invites me to hang with him when we are in the same city, so be patient and PLEASANTLY persistent.

3. another thing i found is to BE SEEN. people will remember your name and face if they are always seeing you. if you live in a major city it is a MUST you are hitting events every week, period, no way around it. if you don't live in a major market for music, you have talent and you truly deep down wanna do this music thing, you have to take that chance to move to one. not to say it can't be done from nebraska but you chances are slimmer if you are not in a nyc, la, atl, etc.

if you do those three things and go hard with them, it doesn't matter if these artists are getting hit up constantly from producers, b/c you will stand out and rise to the top.
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i hope that helps
 
I strictly work with indie cats. They're amazingly talented and I love the music we make. I'm pretty well known in the upper echelon of indie/underground hip-hop artists. It really is all about networking and being a real cat.

Perfect example. When I got linked up with Sabac Red and started sending him beats for "The Ritual", he came straight out and said his budget for the album was limited and that he couldn't pay me up front for beats. So I let him know that I was a huge Non-Phixion fan and that just getting a placement on his album would be dope. Ends up I did 4 joints for "The Ritual". I may have sacrificed up front money, but I developed a FRIENDSHIP with a well known indie artist.

It's not merely about building business relationships with these cats. All of the artists I work with consider me to be family. When they do shows, I'm there as one of them. Not as some dude that made them a joint for their album. When I'm in their area or they're in mine, we're chillin' at each others houses. When Vinnie Paz offers you a Momma Paz home cooked meal, you're on to something greater than just being a producer for some artist. You're someone that they'll look out for in the industry and beyond.

Be humble. Show love for your craft. Go to the show AS A FAN looking to network, not as a business man. That's how it worked for me. I mean I talk to artists on the reg that people would kill to be in contact with and it's on some "What's good?" ****, and not some "So I have some beats for you" type ****. Those relationships will take you far in the indie scene.
 
as20gp said:
i dont get why more people dont work with indie cats, or try to..

if u have the beats that people want, its mad easy to get in contact with em..

ive worked/am working with Rain, Big Cas, City Haze, Noah Jones, Kai Holmes, Chance, Sly Boogy, Roshana, Sean Ray, Conflict and K-Boy of Blu Division

im always down to work with hard working indies, and if they have moeny it just makes the situation even sweeter

its just hard to always give indies free tracks, even if that deal is right around the corner, cause u always want to get compensated for your work.. but thanks to PMP its def opened the door to a lot of paying indie/up and coming Rappers/Singers
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...Not trying to sound like an a$$...I honestly didn't know there are people who refuse to work with indie...Doesn't make sense to me either. I guess there are producers that are even more clueless than I cared to realize haha.
 
NoVA Entertainment said:
...Not trying to sound like an a$$...I honestly didn't know there are people who refuse to work with indie...Doesn't make sense to me either. I guess there are producers that are even more clueless than I cared to realize haha.
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yea man

some of these producers hold on to their work.. waiting for that "major label placement"

man i make so many beats its.. like whats one good beat compared to the next one.. i used to be like that "oh man this record is for Jeezy! all day!" then i realized, that the chance of that happening was slim to none.. so i started workin on makin better music, and people took notice lol
 
I see what he's saying..alot of times when these ni99az get off stage,they don't wanna hear nothing bout your fukn beats or how many ill 16s you got ESP if they're in a new town,they're tryna chill..unless you gotta million dollar deal that they really need to hear so yall can make that money together but if you bought a ticket to the show just to tell the man you got beats then good luck with tht..you approach them as both imo,be a fan but don't forget the business
 
who got a better shot @ making a new connection...the fan in the crowd, or the kid that hits up the artist on myspace, facebook, twitter?
 
Skammadix said:
I strictly work with indie cats. They're amazingly talented and I love the music we make. I'm pretty well known in the upper echelon of indie/underground hip-hop artists. It really is all about networking and being a real cat.

Perfect example. When I got linked up with Sabac Red and started sending him beats for "The Ritual", he came straight out and said his budget for the album was limited and that he couldn't pay me up front for beats. So I let him know that I was a huge Non-Phixion fan and that just getting a placement on his album would be dope. Ends up I did 4 joints for "The Ritual". I may have sacrificed up front money, but I developed a FRIENDSHIP with a well known indie artist.

It's not merely about building business relationships with these cats. All of the artists I work with consider me to be family. When they do shows, I'm there as one of them. Not as some dude that made them a joint for their album. When I'm in their area or they're in mine, we're chillin' at each others houses. When Vinnie Paz offers you a Momma Paz home cooked meal, you're on to something greater than just being a producer for some artist. You're someone that they'll look out for in the industry and beyond.

Be humble. Show love for your craft. Go to the show AS A FAN looking to network, not as a business man. That's how it worked for me. I mean I talk to artists on the reg that people would kill to be in contact with and it's on some "What's good?" ****, and not some "So I have some beats for you" type ****. Those relationships will take you far in the indie scene.
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there you have it, now lets give a round of applause to this talented young man everybody ::heres crowd applause::
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
who got a better shot @ making a new connection...the fan in the crowd, or the kid that hits up the artist on myspace, facebook, twitter?
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I think you're taking it out of text now cuz he was talking about at a show,not at home on the computer..when you go to the show,don't act like you don't give a fuk about his music and you're just they'e for business not even knowing what type of person he is..he could be a dyckhead that thinks he's all that and here you come outta nowhere a nobody to him talkin bout some damn beats...the key to a sale is knowing who you're selling to..you don't know that nigga other than his records
 
[F_or_DEAF] said:
who got a better shot @ making a new connection...the fan in the crowd, or the kid that hits up the artist on myspace, facebook, twitter?
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See, that's the thing though. You establish PERSONAL contact with them at the show. It's all about interaction. You show yourself as a legitimate fan of their music, and you have something to offer them as well. It's a lot easier to make post contact with the artists via Myspace, Twitter, etc. After they know who you are. It's a lot easier to approach someone and say "Hey, I was at the show lsat night. It was dope. I hit you with a beat CD and **** and I wondered if you got a chance to listen to it and if you were feeling anything off of it? Here's my math, give me a shout."

If you just randomly hit dudes up on the 'net, you have less of a chance of success. How many messages a day do you think these guys get with cats trying to push some wack ass beats on them? Half the time they probably don't even check their messages because their tired of it. However, if you've made personal contact, and they see a message from you in their inbox, chances are they're going to peep it.

The indie scene is all about networking. One of the wildest things to ever happen to me was Jeru coming up to me at the La Coka Nostra show like a year and a half ago and saying "Yo Skam! Where's my beats at?" I never spoke to dude before ever. Sabac and Ill Bill pointed me out to him downstairs after the show and he came up to me asking for joints.. Jeru. Seriously. A cat I grew up on. That **** was crazy. But that's what networking, being humble, and friendly does for you on the indie scene.
 
"i think since everyone here is a "future producer," they are focused on the glory, therefore they only pay attention to those who are in the position they want to be in. by doing that, they fail to notice that most of the big producers from timbo to the neptunes to whoever draw their inspiration from alot of abstract forms of music, including indie rap, rock, electronic music, or whatever. U'll hardly ever hear Tim or any successful producer say "i was influenced by my counterpart [insert name of famous producer]"

u have to pay attention to the indie scenes of all forms of music to know what's up next. who knows, maybe u'll find the next artist that u want to work with and u'll both take a ride to the top together."


While it's important to listen to underground stuff, I think you also have to pay close attention to what the top producers in the game are doing. Of course those top producers have more room to experiment because everyone is already listening to them. But also I think they are influenced by other famous producers more than you make it sound. For example kanye has said he gets inspired by Dream.

I can't think of any more examples but I think the famous producers do get inspired by each other.
 
as20gp said:
yea man

some of these producers hold on to their work.. waiting for that "major label placement"

man i make so many beats its.. like whats one good beat compared to the next one.. i used to be like that "oh man this record is for Jeezy! all day!" then i realized, that the chance of that happening was slim to none.. so i started workin on makin better music, and people took notice lol
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Damn, that's exactly what I was doing, and I'm sure many more here are.
 
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