SwagProductionz
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Word... Perfect way to describe his sound... Once he stops doing that... He could be something
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Please explain .. I wanna hear this
j.troup
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What's to explain? When was the last time you saw a BEAT make #1 on Billboard? When was the last time you saw a BEAT go platinum?
Songs sell. Labels aren't too interested in BEATS. Beats are a dime a dozen. If you're not in-house (or got a major name) for a label (or the A&R/manager/artist/etc), you ain't making alot of money off selling beats to labels.
Labels want SONGS. They want beats with HOOKS on em.
If all you got is BEATS, then stay on the soundclick market.
JJ is probably still caking off the SC market. Props and Continued success to him.
And JJ is a member of FP, in case y'all didn't know.
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tReHoLLa
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i write lots of songs. and i can write them for people, and produce the whole song. from start to finish. what are these labels that you speak of. and how much could i expect to make.
i used to know a songwriter, who only wrote to beats and she mentioned 30 racks a track. now if i make the beat and write all the lyrics, how much do you think i could get? 50? what's fair?
what do ya'll charge?
i used to know a songwriter, who only wrote to beats and she mentioned 30 racks a track. now if i make the beat and write all the lyrics, how much do you think i could get? 50? what's fair?
what do ya'll charge?
j.troup
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Beat Off
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I see what you're saying but there are a few people who have sold just the beat to an artist. Mike Zombie (Started from the bottom) for example. When it comes to HipHop and rappers, I don't think the process is that complicated. I think you're speaking more to the R&B side of things.
j.troup
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Of course there are people who sell beats. But the real money is in controlling the entire composition.Lil Wayne's producer made some scratch off that song. True. But Wayne/Baby made more money off the song than dude did, because they control the composition. The copyright for the master recording.That's what i'm talking about.Beats are a dime a dozen. Anyone can make beats. But when you have the ability to make SONGS, then you're marketable to an entirely new set of potential customers.I used to just "do beats". But the minute I stretched out my genres, and started selling my ability to create an end to end song for the customer, I started getting business like the song in my sig.\She's not just gonna buy a beat. And if i was still selling beats, I wouldn't have gotten her business. And trust me, she paid a shit ton more than my "beats" cost.
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Beat Off
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Rap is different, rappers don't need much guidance and no established artist is going to let an unknown producer direct them.
PeezyBeatz
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interesting twist, this thread has made....
j.troup
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Misconception, which is one of the major reasons that we have so much shitty hip hop music coming out. Because rappers and producers aren't collaborating, and rappers don't think they need direction.
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Pumpthrust
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j.troup
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And there were 230 gold / platinum certifications of SONGS since the time period that video was released.
Check. Mate.
Charnell
@jdcharnell
On some real shit, a majority of JJ's beats are songs on their own.
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barrettj
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so they are overproduced than your saying
as20gp
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to say that beats dont sell at all would be unfair, there are ways to make beats sell if that is your goal to be an instrumental artist.
but it all depends on what you want to do with your music and the path you take. Urban genres youre right, beats dont sell by themselves, even if they love them, they'll ask for full songs/hooks, creative concepts, creative titles. But if you do electronica genres, or even just set out to do abstract instrumental music you can find a niche to produce and make a living off of just "beats" and spinning shows if you develop the skillset
maybe not in hip hop format, but theres tons of successful instrumental artists
as far as Johnny, im not sure, this game really isnt all about talent.. its not about talent at all actually, talent just helps. Its all about who you know.. who knows you.. and HOW they know you. Perception is everything. You can get popping by pretending to be more popping than you really are. I have a deeper resume than a lot of producers but i dont get as much press because i dont sit and promote all day, i just go into meetings and let things go how they go. Something im learning to change now and seeing good results. But for those who know johnny hes not an industry type cat, hes not a dude thats gonna kiss ass, and he not a dude thats gonna hold his tongue if he feels a certain way, the people in power dont like that and it can hurt you
also the reputation him and a lot of producers who are heavy on soundclick, the perception of their beats is that the value is close to none because anybody can get them. Johnny is a cool dude, i like his beats, but sometimes its not really about you or your music or even your network. All it takes is for one person in power to say no, and a whole lane that you thought you had access to could be shut down
not necessarily black balling, but people dont wanna associate with somebody that the big homie says "no" to.
Just speculation tho, i dont really like to gossip about other peoples money and situations, but just from my personal experience, Talent and music have very little to do with getting far in the music business itself. Its not even about the network, its about making that network push for you like youre the man and having everybody on all different levels mess with you as a person and as an artist. Not everybody is gonna like you, but you gotta make sure your music is so undeniable to the point that even if they dont like you, they wont turn you down
and in this day and age where new hot producers of the age of 17 and 18 (easy to take advantage of) every day, its a whole lot easier to get turned down these days
but it all depends on what you want to do with your music and the path you take. Urban genres youre right, beats dont sell by themselves, even if they love them, they'll ask for full songs/hooks, creative concepts, creative titles. But if you do electronica genres, or even just set out to do abstract instrumental music you can find a niche to produce and make a living off of just "beats" and spinning shows if you develop the skillset
maybe not in hip hop format, but theres tons of successful instrumental artists
as far as Johnny, im not sure, this game really isnt all about talent.. its not about talent at all actually, talent just helps. Its all about who you know.. who knows you.. and HOW they know you. Perception is everything. You can get popping by pretending to be more popping than you really are. I have a deeper resume than a lot of producers but i dont get as much press because i dont sit and promote all day, i just go into meetings and let things go how they go. Something im learning to change now and seeing good results. But for those who know johnny hes not an industry type cat, hes not a dude thats gonna kiss ass, and he not a dude thats gonna hold his tongue if he feels a certain way, the people in power dont like that and it can hurt you
also the reputation him and a lot of producers who are heavy on soundclick, the perception of their beats is that the value is close to none because anybody can get them. Johnny is a cool dude, i like his beats, but sometimes its not really about you or your music or even your network. All it takes is for one person in power to say no, and a whole lane that you thought you had access to could be shut down
not necessarily black balling, but people dont wanna associate with somebody that the big homie says "no" to.
Just speculation tho, i dont really like to gossip about other peoples money and situations, but just from my personal experience, Talent and music have very little to do with getting far in the music business itself. Its not even about the network, its about making that network push for you like youre the man and having everybody on all different levels mess with you as a person and as an artist. Not everybody is gonna like you, but you gotta make sure your music is so undeniable to the point that even if they dont like you, they wont turn you down
and in this day and age where new hot producers of the age of 17 and 18 (easy to take advantage of) every day, its a whole lot easier to get turned down these days
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tReHoLLa
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so you pretty much said, he's good, but he's gotta deal with politics.
politicians have a lot of money. in fact, i don't know if it still stands, but at one point over 90% of elections are won by the person who spends more on the election.
cold world.
so you pretty much said, he's good, but he's gotta deal with politics.
politicians have a lot of money. in fact, i don't know if it still stands, but at one point over 90% of elections are won by the person who spends more on the election.
cold world.
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Wo_Dere
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Cant agree at all...This is one of the better sample flips Ive heard in a minute. Turning that sample into a modern day club-banger was crazy and Boi-1da earned alotta respect from me, doesnt sound anything like JJ. But I 100% agree about JJ sounding cartoony and those adlib samples in so many girls are cartoonish so I can see the comparison.
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I think some of yall make a good points but to me it's simple. The path to make it hiphop especially today is you gotta blowup alongside and help cultivate the sound of an upcoming rapper. Especially if you dont have connections. Just look at the recent and past hiphop producers and "how they got on"
Recent:
Mike Will - (if yall aint know he was with Gucci Mane since damn near day one, produced on No Pad no Pencil wich came out in '07). Then caught his break by producing the shit that finally started breaking Future on the seen and now look where BOTH of them are
Young Chop - Cheif Keef
Lex Luger - Him and Waka hooked up online well before Waka got big...
Boi1da/Tminus/40 - Drake
Harry Fraud - broke on with French Montana and his pops was connected which is how the whole Simon Cowell at the Emmys thing happened
The list goes on. Even older cats like Dre, Timbo broke on with actual ARTISTS and collective and they all came up TOGETHER.
JJ possibly could have had that Wiz but they had a falling out.
And to yall saying mainstream rappers want an original producer thats false. Its a copycat industry and they looking for the new producer thats just blown up the new artists. Look how GOOD jumped onto Young Chop when Keef blew. Look how Ross, Juicy J, and EVERYBODY jumped onto Lex after what he did with Waka popped off. Mike Will helped Future pop off and yall see where he's at now. Had YC been more than just a one hit wonder you'd be seeing ALOT more ppl wanting to work with Sonny Digital (he's had some success in his own right). Same with DJ Spinz with Cash Out. Producing for already established rappers doesnt do much for a career if you didnt do the initial leg-work by cultivating you're own artist. Wheres Ayo the Producer (John), how about the cat who produced Pop That? I almost guarantee you in a couple months nobody will be checking for Wondergurl (whoever the girlt hat co-produced Crown for Jayz) unless a she pops off with nonestablished rapper. Where are the people lining up to work with Mike Zombie (started from the bottom)?
I dont like wasnt even a billboard hit yet a slew of rappers were clamoring to work with Chop immediately after. While John, started from the bottom, pop that were all billboard top 40 yet nobodies checking for those producers.
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corporatethief
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cool
But you got to hand it to him he has his own style and flavor to his music. He claims that he isn't that good a instruments like the piano and guitar but I feel that he knows alot more than he lets on. When it comes to putting chrods together or melodies and riffs in his beats he has a great ear and understanding of how to peice the music together.
The only thing that surpirses me is that he's still in that soundclick bubble even though he has his own site and he still uses that awfull soundclick free email sign up form crazy can't believe it works for him since so many producers have abused it most of those soundclick emails are always a red flag for spam
But you got to hand it to him he has his own style and flavor to his music. He claims that he isn't that good a instruments like the piano and guitar but I feel that he knows alot more than he lets on. When it comes to putting chrods together or melodies and riffs in his beats he has a great ear and understanding of how to peice the music together.
The only thing that surpirses me is that he's still in that soundclick bubble even though he has his own site and he still uses that awfull soundclick free email sign up form crazy can't believe it works for him since so many producers have abused it most of those soundclick emails are always a red flag for spam
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Beat Off
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Misconception?, I'm not saying they don't need that. I'm saying an established rapper is not going to allow an unknown producer to come in and tell him how to do a song, whether they need direction or not.
j.troup
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I agree.
Sometimes they do. The ones who've shaken their ego off, and truly want opinions of those around them. The ones that know that the best songs are collaborative effort.
Now granted, that takes trust. I've learned that. When that trust gets built between an artist and a producer, that true collaboration can take place.
Unfortunately, with the nature of "selling beats", that type of collaboration doesn't take place.